To T or Not to T--What Would You Have Done?

[bas2456]

You guys are way too concerned about what time the game is and on what day.

Apply the situation to a 7 pm varsity start with no game before it.


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[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

You guys are way too concerned about what time the game is and on what day.

Apply the situation to a 7 pm varsity start with no game before it.

The point really isn't the time of day. The point is most people don't treat freshman games the same with this type of application.

You can't compare it to a 7 pm varsity game because it's not that. Compare it to a 7 pm Monday night freshman game, and my answer is the same. I'm really not calling this unless we end up having to delay the start of the game for the scorer to get the book ready.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bas2456

You guys are way too concerned about what time the game is and on what day.

Apply the situation to a 7 pm varsity start with no game before it.


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Why would I?

If I showed up an hour before a 9am freshman game (like I do for a varsity game) I'd sit in the parking lot waiting for someone to let me in the door.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

You guys are way too concerned about what time the game is and on what day.

Apply the situation to a 7 pm varsity start with no game before it.

Well there are differences in a 7pm varsity game. There usually is a game before that game. And the schools have been there for some time. So yes I would treat it differently as there is usually plenty of time put on the clock and the teams are already there long before the game starts. A game in the morning on a Saturday, sometimes you have issues of the team getting there. So I would like to even know why the coach was coming out so late and it is possible that someone not authorized started the clock without anyone knowing. The actual time of the game is relevant IMO.

Peace

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well there are differences in a 7pm varsity game. There usually is a game before that game. And the schools have been there for some time. So yes I would treat it differently as there is usually plenty of time put on the clock and the teams are already there long before the game starts. A game in the morning on a Saturday, sometimes you have issues of the team getting there. So I would like to even know why the coach was coming out so late and it is possible that someone not authorized started the clock without anyone knowing. The actual time of the game is relevant IMO.

Peace

As my partner said to me when he came back to stand by me across from the table, he was looking for any way possible to avoid the technical. He was very glad to look at the clock and see that the coach was indeed on time for the 9 AM start.

I've had games where teams are late. Nothing we can do about it and there's often nothing the team can do about it...bus trouble...traffic...whatever. Never had a technical because of stuff like that. Stuff happens.

What was odd in this situation was that it was the home team that was late getting to the court and the home coach that was nearly late with the book.

[jTheUmp]

Even if i was inclined to call a T in this situation in a freshman game (and I'm not, for reasons previously mentioned by several posters previously)...

Home book is the official book. Players were listed in the home (official) book that the coach was carrying with him, and the visitors had their roster provided to the scorer (well, to the scorer's table, at least, and there's NO FSCKING WAY I'd punish the visiting team for not having their names in the home team's book at the 10:00 mark in a situation like this). So there's nothing to penalize.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Even if i was inclined to call a T in this situation in a freshman game (and I'm not, for reasons previously mentioned by several posters previously)...

Home book is the official book. Players were listed in the home (official) book that the coach was carrying with him, and the visitors had their roster provided to the scorer (well, to the scorer's table, at least, and there's NO FSCKING WAY I'd punish the visiting team for not having their names in the home team's book at the 10:00 mark in a situation like this). So there's nothing to penalize.

I have no idea whether or not the visitors in this situation had their roster at the scorer's table. Assuming they did, obviously they wouldn't be penalized. That wasn't even a point of conversation.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I've had games where teams are late. Nothing we can do about it and there's often nothing the team can do about it...bus trouble...traffic...whatever. Never had a technical because of stuff like that. Stuff happens.

This. Many of our middle schools have a 4:00 start time. As such, a bus that gets caught in unexpected traffic, accident, construction, etc. has meant I've had a couple of games where the visiting team doesn't get into the gym until 3:50 or so.

When that's happened, I wait for the visiting coach to get situated and ask if he or she has a roster ready to give to the home scorer for filling out the official book. Each time, the coach has been happy to oblige right away, so I've seen no need for a T if the coach provides a roster as soon as possible in these instances.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bas2456

You guys are way too concerned about what time the game is and on what day.

Apply the situation to a 7 pm varsity start with no game before it.


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It's not the time, really. It's the Varsity vs Freshman thing. Unless you work in a strange area, surely you have a completely different atmosphere (and level of organization) for varsity than you do for freshman games.

[HokiePaul]

Freshman games in my area usually start at 4:30pm and we're happy to just have the teams there to start the game on time. We don't really enforce the 10 minute rule for sub-varsity games as there is too much outside of the team's control. I'd ask your assigner whether or not they wanted the 10 minute rule strictly enforced for sub-varsity games before I'd start issuing technical fouls for that.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Freshman games in my area usually start at 4:30pm and we're happy to just have the teams there to start the game on time. We don't really enforce the 10 minute rule for sub-varsity games as there is too much outside of the team's control. I'd ask your assigner whether or not they wanted the 10 minute rule strictly enforced for sub-varsity games before I'd start issuing technical fouls for that.

On the freshman games I do, the games mostly don't start before 6 pm. Actually almost any weeknight game I'm available to work doesn't start before six. Traffic in this area, even outside the city limits of Chicago, can be an absolute bear. I've never and will never have a technical foul because the visitors are late getting to the school.

The OP game in question, however, was a Saturday morning affair and it was the home coach that was potentially late to the table with the book. That's why I thought it was kind of an interesting situation and an interesting question to pose.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

On the freshman games I do, the games mostly don't start before 6 pm. Actually almost any weeknight game I'm available to work doesn't start before six. Traffic in this area, even outside the city limits of Chicago, can be an absolute bear. I've never and will never have a technical foul because the visitors are late getting to the school.

The OP game in question, however, was a Saturday morning affair and it was the home coach that was potentially late to the table with the book. That's why I thought it was kind of an interesting situation and an interesting question to pose.

So to be clear, you take the book rules more seriously on a Saturday morning than you do a Monday night?

Honestly, like I said, I'm not calling this in a freshman game unless it's so late we have to wait for the scorer to fill the book out. At 9 minutes, I'm not even thinking about it.