NFHS brawl

[deecee]

Originally Posted by jamesshank

R4-S14-A1 discusses DQ only; the only reference to ejection I found was in the case book in which it describes ejection from further participation in the current game only. In Washington, when a player/coach is ejected an ejection report is filed and the player or coach must sit the next game.

I learned a long time that if EVERYONE is saying something contrary to what I believe I am probably wrong. 100% of the time this is true. There are differences and DQ's as mentioned above can happen for several reasons.

Your state may simply be using ejected as a term that is most understood when a player/coach gets 2 T's or a Flagrant. Being DQ'd for 5 fouls is NOT the same as being DQ's for 2 T's or a Flagrant. In an ejection the individual is required to leave. We cannot require kids to leave without adult supervision. What the rules state and what states choose to do is up to the individual state and not the NFHS. There is no national policy that a player that receives 2 T's get a 1 game suspension so looking for that in the rule book is an effort in futility.

[jamesshank]

Originally Posted by deecee

I learned a long time that if EVERYONE is saying something contrary to what I believe I am probably wrong. 100% of the time this is true. There are differences and DQ's as mentioned above can happen for several reasons.

Your state may simply be using ejected as a term that is most understood when a player/coach gets 2 T's or a Flagrant. Being DQ'd for 5 fouls is NOT the same as being DQ's for 2 T's or a Flagrant. In an ejection the individual is required to leave. We cannot require kids to leave without adult supervision. What the rules state and what states choose to do is up to the individual state and not the NFHS. There is no national policy that a player that receives 2 T's get a 1 game suspension so looking for that in the rule book is an effort in futility.

I'm not sure what it is that I believe that everyone else disagrees. I'm only asking for clarification between ejection vs. DQ as I stated, the rule book as I read it, uses the term DQ as reference to 5 fouls, 2 TF or a flagrant and I was seeking clarification regarding participation in the next contest; I haven't seen anything in the NFHS book about the next game, which leads me to believe that Washington has this in addition to Fed rules. I'm not arguing, just seeking clarification. Thanks.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by jamesshank

I haven't seen anything in the NFHS book about the next game, which leads me to believe that Washington has this in addition to Fed rules. I'm not arguing, just seeking clarification. Thanks.

You aren't going to find it in the Fed rule book. It's not a playing rule. It is essentially an eligibility rule that is imposed by your state. Practically(?) every state has similar rules, but it is not a Fed rule.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I don't think you read the NFHS Basketball Rules very well.

Please read very caefully: R4-S14-A1; and the NOTE for the PENALTY for R4-S6.

MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by jamesshank

R4-S14-A1 discusses DQ only; the only reference to ejection I found was in the case book in which it describes ejection from further participation in the current game only. In Washington, when a player/coach is ejected an ejection report is filed and the player or coach must sit the next game.

James:

R4-S14-A1 defines how a Player is Disqualified. The word "Player" in this definition does not just mean the five (5) players currently participating in the game but also to the Substitutes who are not currently participating in the game. A "player" who is Disqualified cannot continue to participate in the game. Purge the word "ejection" from your vocabulary with respect to "players" who are Disqualified. To say that a "player" has been "ejected" would be incorrect by rule.

The NOTE for the PENALTY for R4-S6 deals with the Head Coach and all other Adult Bench Personnel. By rule the HC is both Disqualified and Ejected and all other Adult Bench Personnel are Ejected.

If you think I am picking nits with regard to these two rules, you would be absolutely correct. Being precise and using correct terminology is what separates the rules experts (game officials) and the players, coaches, game administrators, fans, the press, some members of the rules committee and StateHSAA administrators, and especially howler monkeys (idiot coaches and ignorant talking heads) and fans boys (idiot fans).

As a historian of the rules of the game, a former rules interpreter, and a past member of several IAABO national committees, nothing fries my tuchus more that officials that do not speak the rules correctly.

MTD, Sr.

[jamesshank]

As a historian of the rules of the game, a former rules interpreter, and a past member of several IAABO national committees, nothing fries my tuchus more that officials that do not speak the rules correctly.

I agree completely and I really appreciate this forum because it allows a complete discussion with like-minded individuals so that I can be better and more correct in my verbiage...thank you