NFHS brawl

[jamesshank]

Situation (not my game, thank goodness) a fight breaks out; players leave the bench; players are not ejected but are "disqualified" because the officials can't prove they were on the court...not sure if players can be "disqualified" without receiving five fouls. Also, not sure if this is correct protocol. My belief is players that left the bench area are ejected and if there is not definite knowledge of them leaving the bench area, then they can't be "disqualified". Please give me your thoughts. Thanks.

[Nevadaref]

There are no players on the bench by definition. Those individuals are team members.
As for being disqualified, why would any official penalize what wasn't observed? How could a team member be DQ'd without at least one official stating that he saw number X on the playing floor during the altercation?

[Camron Rust]

"Ejected" is just an alternative, but somewhat inaccurate, work for disqualified. When people say "ejected", they really mean disqualified. To be DQ'd, you have to charge the player with a foul (either the 5th total foul, 2nd technicals, or a single flagrant). If you don't do that, they can not be DQ'd.

You have to know who to penalize in order to penalize. You can't just pick some. Now, if the see the bench 100% empty, you can, if the book is keeping track, know who was in the game and go from that, but most books don't who is in the game at the moment, just who played in each quarter.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

"Ejected" is just an alternative, but somewhat inaccurate, work for disqualified. When people say "ejected", they really mean disqualified. To be DQ'd, you have to charge the player with a foul (either the 5th total foul, 2nd technicals, or a single flagrant). If you don't do that, they can not be DQ'd.

You have to know who to penalize in order to penalize. You can't just pick some. Now, if the see the bench 100% empty, you can, if the book is keeping track, know who was in the game and go from that, but most books don't who is in the game at the moment, just who played in each quarter.

Let me piggy back onto Camron post. Camron is correct. By rule a player is Disqualified. Also by rule, a HC is Disqualified and Ejected, and all other adult personnel are Ejected.

MTD, Sr.

[jamesshank]

After reading in the book, I see no difference between the two. In Washington state, however, an ejected player or coach is prohibited from participating in the next contest; a player who is "disqualified" due to 5 fouls, is obviously allowed to play in the next game. I need to get further clarification from our state association. Thanks for the replies.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by jamesshank

After reading in the book, I see no difference between the two. In Washington state, however, an ejected player or coach is prohibited from participating in the next contest; a player who is "disqualified" due to 5 fouls, is obviously allowed to play in the next game. I need to get further clarification from our state association. Thanks for the replies.

I don't think you read the NFHS Basketball Rules very well.

Please read very caefully: R4-S14-A1; and the NOTE for the PENALTY for R4-S6.

MTD, Sr.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Now, if the see the bench 100% empty, you can, if the book is keeping track, know who was in the game and go from that, but most books don't who is in the game at the moment, just who played in each quarter.

There are a couple scorekeepers in my area who list the numbers of the starting 5 at the top of each team's page. Then, everytime someone enters the game, their number is added, and the person they replaced is crossed out. Something like this would be VERY HELPFUL if there ever was a bench clearing brawl to be able to tell who came off the bench.

[Adam]

Off the bench = on the court. If the team members merely stand up, I'm not going to charge them with anything. If they get onto the court, now they've left the bench. I'm really not sure how a player leaves the bench without getting onto the court.

Added: And NFHS verbiage typically distinguishes between ejected and DQ'd by noting "ejected" means they have to leave the gym. DQ'd players are only rarely required to leave the gym (note, you'll likely never have that situation), and only with adult supervision.

[jamesshank]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There are no players on the bench by definition. Those individuals are team members.
As for being disqualified, why would any official penalize what wasn't observed? How could a team member be DQ'd without at least one official stating that he saw number X on the playing floor during the altercation?

Thanks for the clarification.

[Ref25]

We're the officials on the game college officials?
NCAA rules if players come off the bench when a fight may brake out but do not participate they are by rule ejected with no technical being called.