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[Adam]

this is a myth that starts early, and is perpetuated by officials who actually enforce it. For some reason, no one ever questions this. They question everything else under the roof, but this, they follow without question. Then, when we (the refs who know the rule) work a game, everyone just goes without being told anything.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

this is a myth that starts early, and is perpetuated by officials who actually enforce it. For some reason, no one ever questions this. They question everything else under the roof, but this, they follow without question. Then, when we (the refs who know the rule) work a game, everyone just goes without being told anything.

What are we supposed to tell them when they just go to a certain place and it is legal to be there? I have even had coaches talk to their players on the other side of the court. What are we supposed to tell them, "You guys can be right near the 3 point line?" If they go to the division line, I am not stopping them. And in a 3 person game, that is kind of where the Trail is going to be anyways.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What are we supposed to tell them when they just go to a certain place and it is legal to be there? I have even had coaches talk to their players on the other side of the court. What are we supposed to tell them, "You guys can be right near the 3 point line?" If they go to the division line, I am not stopping them. And in a 3 person game, that is kind of where the Trail is going to be anyways.

Peace

Where did I suggest or say anything to make you think I want us to do something about it? I don't care where players go by the time they get to my game. You're arguing against statements I never made.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

Where did I suggest or say anything to make you think I want us to do something about it? I don't care where players go by the time they get to my game. You're arguing against statements I never made.

It sounded to me like you were implying that officials are the ones that give the players or coaches the bad information.

I called a T last week in a game and I did not say anything to the players at all. They migrated to the division line if I recall and no one told them not to go there by either the coaches or the officials. I think it is just one of those things that everyone seems to feel is the rule and they just do it anyway.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

this is a myth that starts early, and is perpetuated by officials who actually enforce it. For some reason, no one ever questions this. They question everything else under the roof, but this, they follow without question. Then, when we (the refs who know the rule) work a game, everyone just goes without being told anything.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What are we supposed to tell them when they just go to a certain place and it is legal to be there? ...

Peace

Originally Posted by Adam

Where did I suggest or say anything to make you think I want us to do something about it? I don't care where players go by the time they get to my game. You're arguing against statements I never made.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It sounded to me like you were implying that officials are the ones that give the players or coaches the bad information.

Peace

He did suggest there are officials giving the players/coaches bad information. But, he never said that we should do anything to counter that instruction. He only suggested that no players or coaches ever question that, they just do it.

Officials are indeed directing player to go there. I've heard it....in high school. What if you have a partner call a T on a kid for being in the frontcourt talking to his coach while the FTs are being shot? Are you going to just let that be?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

He did suggest there are officials giving the players/coaches bad information. But, he never said that we should do anything to counter that instruction. He only suggested that no players or coaches ever question that, they just do it.

Officials are indeed directing player to go there. I've heard it....in high school. What if you have a partner call a T on a kid for being in the frontcourt talking to his coach while the FTs are being shot? Are you going to just let that be?

I am sure there are officials "somewhere" that are directing the players on some level just like there are officials that do other things that are not rules based. But I just have not run into anyone in a very long time that even said anything to the players other than getting off the lane. Where they go I cannot think of a single official in any recent situation telling them to specifically go to the division line.

Well we can play the "What if" game all day. But I have never heard or seen anyone T anyone for where they stand during a T free throws, at least in any game I was working. Usually to work varsity ball here you have to kind of earn that opportunity and not make obvious rules mistakes. And I certainly never require players to not be in the FC. The closest thing I ever can remember to an official trying to prevent players from talking to their coach and that official was quickly corrected. I never suggested that I would "let it be." I just do not see this epidemic that you and others are suggesting seems to be a common problem. Even at the lower levels I do not see that kind of instruction. Players go to the division line on their own.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... said anything to the players other than getting off the lane.

Players often don't recognize that an intentional foul has been called, or aren't familiar with the restrictions regarding non-shooter positions for such a foul. When they start to line up on the lane line, I just wave them back and say "Get back". I don't care where they go, as long as it's not in the restricted area. I'm not giving a rules clinic out there.