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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

In many areas, MS refs officiate myths rather than rules. Some of the myths are correct, others are not.

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

Amen. Varsity and college officials are sometimes the worst offenders of officiating using myths. And these myths then trickle down to the lower levels.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Amen. Varsity and college officials are sometimes the worst offenders of officiating using myths. And these myths then trickle down to the lower levels.

Ive seen players just automatically go back there without any instruction from the officials. Just because they all go behind the division line doesn't mean it is the officials fault (in that game).

If they want to stand there, I'm not telling them to go somewhere else.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Ive seen players just automatically go back there without any instruction from the officials. Just because they all go behind the division line doesn't mean it is the officials fault (in that game).

If they want to stand there, I'm not telling them to go somewhere else.

^^ This. Rare is the player these days who confidently remains in the frontcourt.

Like jpg, I don't get involved, unless I happen to notice a teammate nervously telling another to get behind the division line. That's when I may (depending on the temp of the game) take the opportunity to debunk.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Ive seen players just automatically go back there without any instruction from the officials. Just because they all go behind the division line doesn't mean it is the officials fault (in that game).

If they want to stand there, I'm not telling them to go somewhere else.

I never said it was the officials' fault. I simply concurred with Camron that upper-level officials can be just as bad at perpetrating rules myths as lower-level officials.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

There is a pretty strong myth that players have to be behind half court. When my son was playing middle school, that myth was assiduously enforced....

Originally Posted by Adam

In many areas, MS refs officiate myths rather than rules. Some of the myths are correct, others are not.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

Originally Posted by SC Official

Amen. Varsity and college officials are sometimes the worst offenders of officiating using myths. And these myths then trickle down to the lower levels.

Are these the officials doing this or the players themselves? I never tell players to go anywhere but not be on the line. They tend to go to the division line. So if you see them go there in my game, I did not have to tell them much of anything.

Think about it, is there really a reason to be right around the circle or 3 point line? I do not see one as there is no immediate rebound.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

is there really a reason to be right around the circle or 3 point line?

Keeping both teams behind the division line would unfairly restrict the ability of one coach to privately confer with his players.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Keeping both teams behind the division line would restrict the ability of one coach to privately confer with his players.

I have had coaches ask if they can confer with their kids? So it is clear that somewhere, somehow they feel they cannot do such a thing. That is not only on the officials, I am sorry it is not. Some things are done simply out of practice or assumption and it does not have to be us that is preventing them from being in certain places. Because if they go there, I am not telling them not to go there. That is their right.

Peace

[Adam]

this is a myth that starts early, and is perpetuated by officials who actually enforce it. For some reason, no one ever questions this. They question everything else under the roof, but this, they follow without question. Then, when we (the refs who know the rule) work a game, everyone just goes without being told anything.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

this is a myth that starts early, and is perpetuated by officials who actually enforce it. For some reason, no one ever questions this. They question everything else under the roof, but this, they follow without question. Then, when we (the refs who know the rule) work a game, everyone just goes without being told anything.

What are we supposed to tell them when they just go to a certain place and it is legal to be there? I have even had coaches talk to their players on the other side of the court. What are we supposed to tell them, "You guys can be right near the 3 point line?" If they go to the division line, I am not stopping them. And in a 3 person game, that is kind of where the Trail is going to be anyways.

Peace

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by billymac

keeping both teams behind the division line would unfairly restrict the ability of one coach to privately confer with his players.

+1

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

Originally Posted by SC Official

Amen. Varsity and college officials are sometimes the worst offenders of officiating using myths. And these myths then trickle down to the lower levels.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Are these the officials doing this or the players themselves? I never tell players to go anywhere but not be on the line. They tend to go to the division line. So if you see them go there in my game, I did not have to tell them much of anything.

Think about it, is there really a reason to be right around the circle or 3 point line? I do not see one as there is no immediate rebound.

Peace

I'm going by what I've actually heard other officials tell players/coaches, not inferring anything from what the players do on their own.

I'm not just talking about this situation but situations in general. There is a number of officials out there that perpetuate various myths.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm going by what I've actually heard other officials tell players/coaches, not inferring anything from what the player do on their own.

I'm not just talking about this situation but situations in general. There is a number of officials out there that perpetuate various myths.

I have also heard officials misuse the rule as well, do not assume that when players do something, they had to have been instructed by the officials on that particular game. And there are plenty of people that are not officials that perpetuate myths. Just like someone saying "Over the back" or "moving screen" that feel these are also rules, but they keep yelling at officials about them.

Peace

[bucky]

Kinda reminds me of MS/HS soccer games when players get hurt, coaches and some officials tell all the players to "take a knee". I have played, coached, and reffed for 20+ years and have never understood why.

I dislike players gathering at the division line for T. They tend to continue the banter from the previous play. I have seen games like this where a T was called during a T. Yuck!

Kids should just go to their benches, both for getting calm and receiving instructions, but as mentioned, no legal requirement for such actions.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Keeping both teams behind the division line would unfairly restrict the ability of one coach to privately confer with his players.

I have posted about this before, but I had a partner a few years ago that not only required the players to all stand behind the division line, but told the coach on the other end of the court that he could not confer with his players because the coach on the bench on the end where we were shooting couldn't either. I guess he was trying to make things fair but he screwed up two rules (Or rule myths) at the same time.

I am also amazed that this is the only thing that no one ever questions when it is enforced. It's like we could tell them to go stand on their heads and they would do it. It has been on the Part 2 test several times too, including this year. I still hear people say they enforce it for "game management" reasons even if they know the rule.