Play location

[Oklahoma official]

I know during the shooting of a Technical foul, the other 9 players do not have to be behind the half court line, but I can not find the wording for this anywhere. If someone could let me know where the wording is located, I would greatly appreciate.

[Mbilica]

NFHS 8-1-3: ART. 3 . . . If the ball is to become dead when the last free throw for a specific penalty is not successful, players shall not occupy any spaces along the free-throw lane lines.

8-1-5: ART. 5 . . . Any player, other than the free thrower, who does not occupy a marked lane space must be behind the free-throw line extended and behind the three-point line.

I believe these rules are the only language we have to go by. Technical foul free throws are just free throws that will be followed by a dead ball, as is true for intentional fouls or fouls that occur when or just after time expires.


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[Adam]

MBilica is right. You won't find ruling that specifies anything about players' location during a technical foul free throw, because that's not where the rules differentiate. The distinction in the rules is between players along the lane and players not along the lane.

Someone who has always believed that players must go to the backcourt during these free throws, and who refuses to believe otherwise, will ask you for a rule reference. The only answer is to quote these two rules and ask them to provide you with a rule reference that provides additional restrictions on any free throws where no one gets to be along the lane.

And just to show I can predict the future:

The next response will be that it's just good game management to get them back there.

The alternative is to make players go to their benches in order to separate them, again for good game management or something.

[Mbilica]

So, what we have with the game management argument putting them in the back court is that the players crowd along the division line, often right on top of each other. I don't think that is necessarily better with regards to game management.

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[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Mbilica

So, what we have with the game management argument putting them in the back court is that the players crowd along the division line, often right on top of each other. I don't think that is necessarily better with regards to game management.

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He's Predicting what someone who says players have to be behind division line would say when you point out that the rules only require them to be outside three point line and beyond FT line extended. They will come up with another reason to justify it.

If they are outside the three point line and beyond FT line extended they are complying with rules.

[so cal lurker]

There is a pretty strong myth that players have to be behind half court. When my son was playing middle school, that myth was assiduously enforced....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

There is a pretty strong myth that players have to be behind half court. When my son was playing middle school, that myth was assiduously enforced....

In many areas, MS refs officiate myths rather than rules. Some of the myths are correct, others are not.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

In many areas, MS refs officiate myths rather than rules. Some of the myths are correct, others are not.

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

Amen. Varsity and college officials are sometimes the worst offenders of officiating using myths. And these myths then trickle down to the lower levels.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Amen. Varsity and college officials are sometimes the worst offenders of officiating using myths. And these myths then trickle down to the lower levels.

Ive seen players just automatically go back there without any instruction from the officials. Just because they all go behind the division line doesn't mean it is the officials fault (in that game).

If they want to stand there, I'm not telling them to go somewhere else.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Ive seen players just automatically go back there without any instruction from the officials. Just because they all go behind the division line doesn't mean it is the officials fault (in that game).

If they want to stand there, I'm not telling them to go somewhere else.

^^ This. Rare is the player these days who confidently remains in the frontcourt.

Like jpg, I don't get involved, unless I happen to notice a teammate nervously telling another to get behind the division line. That's when I may (depending on the temp of the game) take the opportunity to debunk.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Ive seen players just automatically go back there without any instruction from the officials. Just because they all go behind the division line doesn't mean it is the officials fault (in that game).

If they want to stand there, I'm not telling them to go somewhere else.

I never said it was the officials' fault. I simply concurred with Camron that upper-level officials can be just as bad at perpetrating rules myths as lower-level officials.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

True. I think it's more prevalent at the MS level (and below). It's definitely more excusable, because many MS assigners have horrible training programs. HS and college refs have no such excuse, IMO.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Adam

In many areas, MS refs officiate myths rather than rules. Some of the myths are correct, others are not.

Sadly, very true. My son's CYO league claimed that it had certified refs for the "varsity" (read: 8th grade), but with ththe prevalence of myths (or imported NBA rules) being used in some games, I really wondered what that certification was. (We also got some very good refs. My daughter had a playoff game with a three man crew that clearly worked together -- I assumed it was a group that volunteered.)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

There is a pretty strong myth that players have to be behind half court. When my son was playing middle school, that myth was assiduously enforced....

Originally Posted by Adam

In many areas, MS refs officiate myths rather than rules. Some of the myths are correct, others are not.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

Originally Posted by SC Official

Amen. Varsity and college officials are sometimes the worst offenders of officiating using myths. And these myths then trickle down to the lower levels.

Are these the officials doing this or the players themselves? I never tell players to go anywhere but not be on the line. They tend to go to the division line. So if you see them go there in my game, I did not have to tell them much of anything.

Think about it, is there really a reason to be right around the circle or 3 point line? I do not see one as there is no immediate rebound.

Peace