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[so cal lurker]

There is a pretty strong myth that players have to be behind half court. When my son was playing middle school, that myth was assiduously enforced....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

There is a pretty strong myth that players have to be behind half court. When my son was playing middle school, that myth was assiduously enforced....

In many areas, MS refs officiate myths rather than rules. Some of the myths are correct, others are not.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

In many areas, MS refs officiate myths rather than rules. Some of the myths are correct, others are not.

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

Amen. Varsity and college officials are sometimes the worst offenders of officiating using myths. And these myths then trickle down to the lower levels.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Amen. Varsity and college officials are sometimes the worst offenders of officiating using myths. And these myths then trickle down to the lower levels.

Ive seen players just automatically go back there without any instruction from the officials. Just because they all go behind the division line doesn't mean it is the officials fault (in that game).

If they want to stand there, I'm not telling them to go somewhere else.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Ive seen players just automatically go back there without any instruction from the officials. Just because they all go behind the division line doesn't mean it is the officials fault (in that game).

If they want to stand there, I'm not telling them to go somewhere else.

^^ This. Rare is the player these days who confidently remains in the frontcourt.

Like jpg, I don't get involved, unless I happen to notice a teammate nervously telling another to get behind the division line. That's when I may (depending on the temp of the game) take the opportunity to debunk.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Ive seen players just automatically go back there without any instruction from the officials. Just because they all go behind the division line doesn't mean it is the officials fault (in that game).

If they want to stand there, I'm not telling them to go somewhere else.

I never said it was the officials' fault. I simply concurred with Camron that upper-level officials can be just as bad at perpetrating rules myths as lower-level officials.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

There is a pretty strong myth that players have to be behind half court. When my son was playing middle school, that myth was assiduously enforced....

Originally Posted by Adam

In many areas, MS refs officiate myths rather than rules. Some of the myths are correct, others are not.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

Originally Posted by SC Official

Amen. Varsity and college officials are sometimes the worst offenders of officiating using myths. And these myths then trickle down to the lower levels.

Are these the officials doing this or the players themselves? I never tell players to go anywhere but not be on the line. They tend to go to the division line. So if you see them go there in my game, I did not have to tell them much of anything.

Think about it, is there really a reason to be right around the circle or 3 point line? I do not see one as there is no immediate rebound.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

is there really a reason to be right around the circle or 3 point line?

Keeping both teams behind the division line would unfairly restrict the ability of one coach to privately confer with his players.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Keeping both teams behind the division line would restrict the ability of one coach to privately confer with his players.

I have had coaches ask if they can confer with their kids? So it is clear that somewhere, somehow they feel they cannot do such a thing. That is not only on the officials, I am sorry it is not. Some things are done simply out of practice or assumption and it does not have to be us that is preventing them from being in certain places. Because if they go there, I am not telling them not to go there. That is their right.

Peace

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by billymac

keeping both teams behind the division line would unfairly restrict the ability of one coach to privately confer with his players.

+1

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

Originally Posted by SC Official

Amen. Varsity and college officials are sometimes the worst offenders of officiating using myths. And these myths then trickle down to the lower levels.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Are these the officials doing this or the players themselves? I never tell players to go anywhere but not be on the line. They tend to go to the division line. So if you see them go there in my game, I did not have to tell them much of anything.

Think about it, is there really a reason to be right around the circle or 3 point line? I do not see one as there is no immediate rebound.

Peace

I'm going by what I've actually heard other officials tell players/coaches, not inferring anything from what the players do on their own.

I'm not just talking about this situation but situations in general. There is a number of officials out there that perpetuate various myths.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm going by what I've actually heard other officials tell players/coaches, not inferring anything from what the player do on their own.

I'm not just talking about this situation but situations in general. There is a number of officials out there that perpetuate various myths.

I have also heard officials misuse the rule as well, do not assume that when players do something, they had to have been instructed by the officials on that particular game. And there are plenty of people that are not officials that perpetuate myths. Just like someone saying "Over the back" or "moving screen" that feel these are also rules, but they keep yelling at officials about them.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

MS? I've seen it at HS and even college. Some people are just better at BSing than they are at being technicians.

True. I think it's more prevalent at the MS level (and below). It's definitely more excusable, because many MS assigners have horrible training programs. HS and college refs have no such excuse, IMO.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Adam

In many areas, MS refs officiate myths rather than rules. Some of the myths are correct, others are not.

Sadly, very true. My son's CYO league claimed that it had certified refs for the "varsity" (read: 8th grade), but with ththe prevalence of myths (or imported NBA rules) being used in some games, I really wondered what that certification was. (We also got some very good refs. My daughter had a playoff game with a three man crew that clearly worked together -- I assumed it was a group that volunteered.)