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Old Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:57pm
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Point Direction after Made Basket

Why do D1 officials (the Lead) point in opposite direction (towards opposite end line) after a team makes a basket? Must be a college mechanic, but what does it mean? Thanks.
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Old Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:59pm
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No, it is not a college mechanic. Just something I think officials have been doing based on their experience. There used to be a time where you signaled how many points they team scored. I think that is what some do on some level.

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Old Wed Dec 21, 2016, 02:29am
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No, it is not a college mechanic. Just something I think officials have been doing based on their experience. There used to be a time where you signaled how many points they team scored. I think that is what some do on some level.

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Old Wed Dec 21, 2016, 02:53am
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I was taught to do it to indicate to the shot clock operator that possession has changed.
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Old Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:23am
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I was taught to do it to indicate to the shot clock operator that possession has changed.
Bingo. Me too. I do it in high school as well because it's habit now. Yes, I know that is wrong.
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Old Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:56am
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I was taught to do it to indicate to the shot clock operator that possession has changed.
Not criticizing you for doing it, but what was the logic behind needing to signal the shot clock operator that possession had changed? The only thing I can think of is that the mechanic was intended to signal the shot clock operator to start the clock.
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Old Wed Dec 21, 2016, 12:39pm
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Maybe it's just me, but I seem to only see it after a play at the basket with some contact, but no foul. They point as a way to say "yes I saw the contact, no it's not a foul"


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Old Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:38pm
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I was taught to do it to indicate to the shot clock operator that possession has changed.
Isn't that sort of obvious on a made basket?
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Old Wed Dec 21, 2016, 06:55pm
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Isn't that sort of obvious on a made basket?
Should be, but some shot clock operators need the extra signal to help them remember to click the reset button following the throw-in.
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Old Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:20pm
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Should be, but some shot clock operators need the extra signal to help them remember to click the reset button following the throw-in.
I agree, and I sometimes find myself using this same mechanic.

However, the bigger problem I have with shot clock operators is when they reset the shot clock when they shouldn't. For example, a momentary loss of player control, but Team B never gains control. When a Team A player regains control, I hate looking back up at the clock and seeing they have reset it.
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Old Thu Dec 22, 2016, 08:31am
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I agree, and I sometimes find myself using this same mechanic.

However, the bigger problem I have with shot clock operators is when they reset the shot clock when they shouldn't. For example, a momentary loss of player control, but Team B never gains control. When a Team A player regains control, I hate looking back up at the clock and seeing they have reset it.
That type of play is when such a signal (but don't we already have one? The "finger swirl?") might come in handy -- tell the shot-clock operator not to reset during scrambles until he sees us signal. But I've never had a shot clock operator not know to start it after a basket. Sure, they sometimes forget, but having a signal everytime isn't going to help that.

Do they still teach this? NCAAM or NCAAW or both? It's never come up in any of the camps I've been to.

We do start it in the last minute of the game, of course -- and maybe some just carry that throughout.
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Just recently go a memo from an assignor telling us to NOT do this mechanic.
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Old Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:01am
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That type of play is when such a signal (but don't we already have one? The "finger swirl?") might come in handy -- tell the shot-clock operator not to reset during scrambles until he sees us signal. But I've never had a shot clock operator not know to start it after a basket. Sure, they sometimes forget, but having a signal everytime isn't going to help that.

Do they still teach this? NCAAM or NCAAW or both? It's never come up in any of the camps I've been to.

We do start it in the last minute of the game, of course -- and maybe some just carry that throughout.
Yes, I do use the finger swirl signal. But it doesn't help if they reset it too early.

I tell them I'd rather them be late and wait to see us give the swirl signal than to reset it too early, but that doesn't stop the problem from happening...
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Old Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:10am
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That type of play is when such a signal (but don't we already have one? The "finger swirl?") might come in handy
In NCAAM the "finger swirl" during a live ball is an indicator to the bookkeeper to note the time so we can review during the next media TO whether we had a made two or three point shot...
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Old Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:15am
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In NCAAM the "finger swirl" during a live ball is an indicator to the bookkeeper to note the time so we can review during the next media TO whether we had a made two or three point shot...
That's the "horizontal swirl" (I think). I was speaking of the "vertical swirl."
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