Not an airborne shooter?

[DrPete]

Interesting call in the UVA-Robert Morris game today.
RM player launches a 3 point try (which missed), defender jumps to try to block, shooter lands on his feet, and defender lands with one foot on shooters forward foot, causing shooter to fall backward. No contact until after the shooter landed. Foul called, and awarded three shots.
Don't know details of NCAA-M rules, but in NFHS, doesn't the shot end when the shooter lands? Thus a foul after the shot is over would be a common (not shooting foul). Am I misguided, or is the NCAA rule different???

If someone can post a video, it was at about 8:30 in the second half, on ESPN-U.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by DrPete

Interesting call in the UVA-Robert Morris game today.
RM player launches a 3 point try (which missed), defender jumps to try to block, shooter lands on his feet, and defender lands with one foot on shooters forward foot, causing shooter to fall backward. No contact until after the shooter landed. Foul called, and awarded three shots.
Don't know details of NCAA-M rules, but in NFHS, doesn't the shot end when the shooter lands? Thus a foul after the shot is over would be a common (not shooting foul). Am I misguided, or is the NCAA rule different???

If someone can post a video, it was at about 8:30 in the second half, on ESPN-U.

The reality is that sometimes the contact is so close that the expectation could be to go with a shooting foul. I had a game recently with 2 fouls AFTER the shot, that both went to the bonus.

Sometimes you get caught off guard and go with a shooting foul.

The NCAA rule is the same.

[Pantherdreams]

We got into a similar situation though less dynamic in a varsity girls game the other night. Team B was "boxing out" shooters hard. Had 3-4 fouls before it stopped. Big displacement vs unprotected players. Never got to an intentional or unsportsmanlike level but needed to be cleaned up.

Coach B got vocal with us when one was called a shooting foul. Her claim was that Player A was a set shooter so since she wasn't airborne once she's released the ball her act of shooting is done so a box out can't be a shooting foul. My partner said he felt like she was in the act when she got hit.

Does create that interesting grey area jump or no jump in the time before the shooter is on balance and ready/expecting contact.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by DrPete

Interesting call in the UVA-Robert Morris game today.
RM player launches a 3 point try (which missed), defender jumps to try to block, shooter lands on his feet, and defender lands with one foot on shooters forward foot, causing shooter to fall backward. No contact until after the shooter landed. Foul called, and awarded three shots.
Don't know details of NCAA-M rules, but in NFHS, doesn't the shot end when the shooter lands? Thus a foul after the shot is over would be a common (not shooting foul). Am I misguided, or is the NCAA rule different???

If someone can post a video, it was at about 8:30 in the second half, on ESPN-U.

By rule, you are correct, under all codes.

By general interp, / the way it's called , you are incorrect.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

By rule, you are correct, under all codes.

By general interp, / the way it's called , you are incorrect.

Is it a correct understanding, that in NCAA, two feet down ends the "airborne shooter" status, but that NFHS requires only one foot down, to end the "airborne shooter" status?

I seem to recall a thread a few years ago that stated the above criteria.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Is it a correct understanding, that in NCAA, two feet down ends the "airborne shooter" status, but that NFHS requires only one foot down, to end the "airborne shooter" status?

I seem to recall a thread a few years ago that stated the above criteria.

Rob, I don't see the NCAAM videos. I know the NCAAm rule says player is airborne shooter until he "returns to floor." When one foot is down he has returned under ball location rules. I've never heard a discussion saying two feet is required to be considered "returned to floor."

Now I will error on the side of giving FTs.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Rob, I don't see the NCAAM videos. I know the NCAAm rule says player is airborne shooter until he "returns to floor." When one foot is down he has returned under ball location rules. I've never heard a discussion saying two feet is required to be considered "returned to floor."

Now I will error on the side of giving FTs.

Thanks, BigCat.
I just found an NFHS Case Book 2015-2016 statement:
4.1.1 ... "A1 is an airborne shooter when the ball is released until one foot returns to the floor. An airborne shooter is in the act of shooting."

I don't currently have a reference for the NCAA definition of "return to the floor." But I seem to recall discussions with colleagues, in past years, that indicate that both feet must have touched the floor, to end the "airborne shooter/in the act of shooting status." (It's not a subject that gets a lot of attention, either here or in camps.)
Maybe you or another of the Forum members that's currently doing NCAA ball can find a reference. I'll ask some of my NCAA friends if they can find a reference.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DrPete

Interesting call in the UVA-Robert Morris game today.
RM player launches a 3 point try (which missed), defender jumps to try to block, shooter lands on his feet, and defender lands with one foot on shooters forward foot, causing shooter to fall backward. No contact until after the shooter landed. Foul called, and awarded three shots.
Don't know details of NCAA-M rules, but in NFHS, doesn't the shot end when the shooter lands? Thus a foul after the shot is over would be a common (not shooting foul). Am I misguided, or is the NCAA rule different???

If someone can post a video, it was at about 8:30 in the second half, on ESPN-U.

I had a D3 game yesterday. Smallish 3pt shooter returns to floor. Big man continues walking into A1 and knocks him down. I blow my whistle, announce "after he returned to the floor", and award 1-and-1.

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[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I had a D3 game yesterday. Smallish 3pt shooter returns to floor. Big man continues walking into A1 and knocks him down. I blow my whistle, announce "after he returned to the floor", and award 1-and-1.

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Yes, if it is 50/50 or very close (hair splitting) i will give the FTs. but if I'm sure he had a foot down before contact, bonus or ball out of bounds.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I blow my whistle, announce "after he returned to the floor" ...

Very good. We've got some guys (veterans and rookies) that say, "On the floor", for all situations in which a shooter will not be shooting free throws for in the act of shooting.