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[walt]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) I'm surprised you were able to hear what White#2 said before the game.

2) It wasn't after a TO, so the resumption of play shouldn't have been used.

3) Both players had been warned, so the "rolling of the ball and waving off the lead" deserve a T.

4) Both players had been warned, so #15 deserves a T after the foul in the 4th quarter.

He was jumping around and pretty loud and it was before the toss. As for the free throw situation, it was after a common foul that led to the 1 and 1. The crew lined them up, Lead announced 1 and 1, and #2 backed out. Lead again said 1 and 1 and then put the ball down.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by walt

He was jumping around and pretty loud and it was before the toss. As for the free throw situation, it was after a common foul that led to the 1 and 1. The crew lined them up, Lead announced 1 and 1, and #2 backed out. Lead again said 1 and 1 and then put the ball down.

We know what it's for. The procedure he used is incorrect.

[SNIPERBBB]

ART. 5

A player shall not:

Delay the game by acts such as:

a. Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.

b. Failing when in possession, to immediately pass the ball to the nearer official when a whistle sounds.

c. The free thrower fails to be in the free-throw semicircle when the official is ready to administer the free throw unless the resumption-of-play procedure is in effect following a time-out or intermission.

d. Repeated violations of the throw-in, as in 9-2-10.

ART. 6

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

c. The free thrower fails to be in the free-throw semicircle when the official is ready to administer the free throw unless the resumption-of-play procedure is in effect following a time-out or intermission.

And since this was not following an intermission or time-out, we do not use the procedure.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Welpe

And since this was not following an intermission or time-out, we do not use the procedure.

RPP is a violation., sans it the play is a T.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

RPP is a violation., sans it the play is a T.

Right. I didn't read what I was quoting carefully enough. RIF on my end.

[walt]

Assuming the 9-1-3 play RULING omits wording as it relates to entering when the RPP is in effect, I get the T under 10-4-5(c). And again, in the OP, #2 should have been whacked long before then.

I agree with the why and how all of you are reading it. Thanks for the discussion. Deecee that last comment really brightened the light bulb in my head!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by walt

He was jumping around and pretty loud and it was before the toss. As for the free throw situation, it was after a common foul that led to the 1 and 1. The crew lined them up, Lead announced 1 and 1, and #2 backed out. Lead again said 1 and 1 and then put the ball down.

That's a player T for delay of game.

[ballgame99]

DOG warning necessary in this case? Or strait to T? May depend on the extent of the player's actions?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

DOG warning necessary in this case? Or strait to T? May depend on the extent of the player's actions?

Absolutely not.

There are four cases where a DOG warning is allowed, none of them happened at any point in the OP.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by Adam

Absolutely not.

There are four cases where a DOG warning is allowed, none of them happened at any point in the OP.

I apparently need to freshen up on my DOG scenarios. Care to share what those 4 are?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I apparently need to freshen up on my DOG scenarios. Care to share what those 4 are?

What do you think are?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I apparently need to freshen up on my DOG scenarios. Care to share what those 4 are?

They're specifically spelled out in the book.
1. Contact with the ball after it goes through the basket that delays the throw in.
2. Contact with a free throw shooter that delays the next shot.
3. Not having the court ready following a timeout.
4. Crossing the throw-in plane.

That's it. That's the list.

You can warn for other things, but the warning is not an official dog warning. Doing that leads to potential problems that I wouldn't want to have to explain.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by Adam

They're specifically spelled out in the book.
1. Contact with the ball after it goes through the basket that delays the throw in.
2. Contact with a free throw shooter that delays the next shot.
3. Not having the court ready following a timeout.
4. Crossing the throw-in plane.

That's it. That's the list.

You can warn for other things, but the warning is not an official dog warning. Doing that leads to potential problems that I wouldn't want to have to explain.

Thanks for the info. I knew 1, 3, and 4.