Pointing direction at tip

[SNIPERBBB]

Only time I ever pointed directions before the tip was for rec-league. Never did it for any level of HS/MS ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I will continue to happily emulate the actions of those who have risen to a level higher than I. With exceptions, of course (mechanics differences, decidedly bad actors, etc.), but in general this practice has served me well not only in basketball officiating but in other facets of life, too. Not sure why some on this forum are always so quick to discount the leaders of the profession.


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Nothing wrong with that stance, but keep in mind that a lot of college officials do a lot of thing that are not advocated by the people they work for or the NCAA. That was obvious by the very first video bulletin this year and a play we discussed on this site. Now if the conversation was only what college officials do (and I am one of them) then that might make since. But keep in mind many things we do at the college level would not be allowed at the HS level. Not discounting, just realize that everything is not as simple as you are making it to be.

Peace

[APG]

Put me down as someone that doesn't point

[Rich]

Originally Posted by apg

put me down as someone that doesn't point

+1

[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I will continue to happily emulate the actions of those who have risen to a level higher than I. With exceptions, of course (mechanics differences, decidedly bad actors, etc.), but in general this practice has served me well not only in basketball officiating but in other facets of life, too. Not sure why some on this forum are always so quick to discount the leaders of the profession.


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Emulate their professionalism. Emulate their communication (although not the BS they have to accept from coaches). Emulate their ability to move to a spot that gives them a better view. This is a mechanics issue, though. Whether they do it really has no bearing on whether we should.

I frankly don't care on this issue. I do it, but I really couldn't tell you if my partners have. I could just as easily drop it if an assigner or other official I trust advised me to let it go.

That's how my captain's meeting became one sentence long.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Adam

Emulate their professionalism. Emulate their communication (although not the BS they have to accept from coaches). Emulate their ability to move to a spot that gives them a better view. This is a mechanics issue, though. Whether they do it really has no bearing on whether we should.

I frankly don't care on this issue. I do it, but I really couldn't tell you if my partners have. I could just as easily drop it if an assigner or other official I trust advised me to let it go.

That's how my captain's meeting became one sentence long.

Great post! Agree with you 100%. My captains meeting is short. They aren't listening anyway.

I point and I do it because I think the high school level players are getting dumber. I'm not sure they know which way they are going. Coming out of time outs, 9 out of 10 times, most teams don't even know who's ball it is.

I point to not have the teams start with a mess. If I was told to not do it, I would have no problem stopping.

[ballgame99]

I let the players assume their positions, and as I'm walking to the center I check with partners to make sure they are good to go, check with table to make sure they are ready to go, say "here we go", blow the whistle, bounce once, and toss. Pointing seems hokey to me.

[IncorrectCall]

What's the point in pointing?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I let the players assume their positions, and as I'm walking to the center I check with partners to make sure they are good to go, check with table to make sure they are ready to go, say "here we go", blow the whistle, bounce once, and toss. Pointing seems hokey to me.

OK, so you don't point, I've got no problem with that.

Nowhere in your post do you state that you check to see that the players are going in the right direction. You must be officiating some pretty smart players in don't have to check and you never run into problems, especially if you get to overtime.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I will continue to happily emulate the actions of those who have risen to a level higher than I. With exceptions, of course (mechanics differences, decidedly bad actors, etc.), but in general this practice has served me well not only in basketball officiating but in other facets of life, too. Not sure why some on this forum are always so quick to discount the leaders of the profession.


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I'm not discounting them at all. I just said because a college ref does it (or doesn't) doesn't make it right (or wrong). That goes for any topic you could discuss. I know the guys on TV are the best and we should def try to be as good as they are, but they are not infallible. And I doubt they would claim to be.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I will continue to happily emulate the actions of those who have risen to a level higher than I. With exceptions, of course (mechanics differences, decidedly bad actors, etc.), but in general this practice has served me well not only in basketball officiating but in other facets of life, too. Not sure why some on this forum are always so quick to discount the leaders of the profession.


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I'll stick my two cents in. I'm not sure who you are addressing, but obviously it was directed to one or two of the comments above yours.

I can't speak for anybody, but I think the main point of one or more of the comments was that they were looking for what the right thing to do in high school is and they don't really care what happens in higher level basketball. They weren't discounting the leaders of the profession.

Someone also made the comment that they don't like the multiple whistles (aka "notice me" calls) on obvious calls they see on TV. I tend to agree with them. Some of the "leaders" of the profession are looking to grab as much attention as possible. I like the leaders that blend in and do a great job.

I'm not going to discount the leaders in the officiating profession and I am thankful for the information and guidance given by some on this board. On the flip side, just because you see it on TV doesn't necessarily mean it's the right or only way to do it.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Just wondering, do you point direction of each team at the tip? I've seen it different ways. Any reason for doing so or not doing so?

Ive never done it. It doesnt hurt anything to do it but all i care about is that there lined up facing the proper direction. Personally, I might do it for 4th graders and under. Anybody else that needs to be told what direction there going, after the jumpers are lined up properly, has other things to worry about.

That's coaching to me. If kids get ball and go wrong way after being lined up properly that's on the coach.

[jamesshank]

I point

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[BlueDevilRef]

I've been having issues with teams going wrong way, which leads to a complete Hess situation if you don't see it immediately. My problem is assuming teams know which way to go, realizing sometimes they do not. I'm going to move to pointing direction with goal being getting game off on right foot.
Thanks for your thoughts on this fellers.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I've been having issues with teams going wrong way, which leads to a complete Hess situation if you don't see it immediately. My problem is assuming teams know which way to go, realizing sometimes they do not. I'm going to move to pointing direction with goal being getting game off on right foot.
Thanks for your thoughts on this fellers.

What level are you having this problem?