Multiple Foul Scenario

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by RefBob

I was reading an article in the most recent Referee magazine entitled "De-Classify NFHS Fouls." There is a scenario where A1 attempts (a missed) 3 point shot and is fouled by B1 (simple contact) and at the same time by B2 (intentional foul) during the attempt. A1 is entitled to four free throws. So far so good, as this is an application of Rule 10, Penalty 6.b.(2) - two free throws for each foul on an unsuccessful 3-point try. However, the author goes on to state that if A1 had made the shot, it could have a been a 7 point play. How does this work? I would have thought that if A1 had made the shot he would have been entitled to one free throw under 10, Penalty 6.a.(3) (one free throw for each foul on a successful three point try) for the simple contact foul and two free throws under 10, Penalty 6.b.(1) (two free throws for each intentional or flagrant foul) for the intentional foul. What am I missing?

Thanks.

As a rules interpreter I love plays like this because it requires officials to study the rules book especially Rule 4. But in real life, I only see one foul: The IPF by B2.

MTD, Sr.

[chapmaja]

Not the same thing, but what do you do when you have the following happen?

Player A1 drives the lane and goes up for a shot and after the releases plows into the legally established defender (B1), while at the same time a second defender (B5) tried taking the head off the shooter.

We actually had this play in a wRECk game last season (we use NFHS rules).

We ruled an offensive foul on A1, then a flagrant foul on B5. We then had multiple technical issued for both coaches going ballistic about play and the calls. In the end I think we had 1 offensive foul, 1 flagrant foul (with ejection), two deadball techs for players mouthing off to each other, one coach picked up his first tech, and the other coach picked up his second tech and was also ejected.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Not the same thing, but what do you do when you have the following happen?

Player A1 drives the lane and goes up for a shot and after the releases plows into the legally established defender (B1), while at the same time a second defender (B5) tried taking the head off the shooter.

We actually had this play in a wRECk game last season (we use NFHS rules).

We ruled an offensive foul on A1, then a flagrant foul on B5. We then had multiple technical issued for both coaches going ballistic about play and the calls. In the end I think we had 1 offensive foul, 1 flagrant foul (with ejection), two deadball techs for players mouthing off to each other, one coach picked up his first tech, and the other coach picked up his second tech and was also ejected.

See case 4.19.9A.

And, note that if A1 fouled B1 while B1 "tried to take A1's head off" then the ruling would be different. That fact that the chapmaja's play is a false double foul and not a double foul makes all the difference.