Women's Final Four Officials

[bballref3966]

All-female crew in the final

Dee Kantner
Lisa Jones
Beverly Roberts

Originally Posted by bballref3966

All-female crew in the final

I could have told you that, ain't no dudes getting the final anymore.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I could have told you that, ain't no dudes getting the final anymore.

You mean....since last year?

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

All-female crew in the final

Dee Kantner
Lisa Jones
Beverly Roberts

*I was surprised that the crew was entirely female. Not even one male ref. Which prompted me to wonder--since I had recently been writing about "age, racial, and gender bias" in officiating--why was a male ref not on there?

I have to be very cautious about drawing conclusions because it has been pointed out to me that my analysis of "age, gender, racial bias in the officiating industry" is too "simplistic". Was the evaluative rating of the male refs too low? Was there not a male ref willing to request the game? Were these the three highest rated refs available--which just by sheer probability just happened to be all "female"?
If I were to postulate why there were no male refs in that game, then the most parsimonious explanation would simply be: "the assignor only wanted to use only female refs".

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*I was surprised that the crew was entirely female. Not even one male ref. Which prompted me to wonder--since I had recently been writing about "age, racial, and gender bias" in officiating--why was a male ref not on there?

I have to be very cautious about drawing conclusions because it has been pointed out to me that my analysis of "age, gender, racial bias in the officiating industry" is too "simplistic". Was the evaluative rating of the male refs too low? Was there not a male ref willing to request the game? Were these the three highest rated refs available--which just by sheer probability just happened to be all "female"?
If I were to postulate why there were no male refs in that game, then the most parsimonious explanation would simply be: "the assignor only wanted to use only female refs".

The pool of officials for the later portions of the tournament is small. One part of the criteria for those assignments is performance in post season and tournament games.
"...a male ref requesting the game..." doesn't happen. (Perhaps blue font would've been appropriate with your statement?)
The goal, on the Women's side, has always been to eventually fill Women's game assignments with women officials.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*I was surprised that the crew was entirely female. Not even one male ref. Which prompted me to wonder--since I had recently been writing about "age, racial, and gender bias" in officiating--why was a male ref not on there?

I have to be very cautious about drawing conclusions because it has been pointed out to me that my analysis of "age, gender, racial bias in the officiating industry" is too "simplistic". Was the evaluative rating of the male refs too low? Was there not a male ref willing to request the game? Were these the three highest rated refs available--which just by sheer probability just happened to be all "female"?
If I were to postulate why there were no male refs in that game, then the most parsimonious explanation would simply be: "the assignor only wanted to use only female refs".

I have no problem with it. Other than the coaches who have to win to get to that level, why not the crew represent the players on the floor?

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have no problem with it. Other than the coaches who have to win to get to that level, why not the crew represent the players on the floor?

Peace

Until they hire 19-22 year olds to officiate, this will never happen.

Oh, wait, I know what you mean...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have no problem with it. Other than the coaches who have to win to get to that level, why not the crew represent the players on the floor?

Peace

Originally Posted by Rich

Until they hire 19-22 year olds to officiate, this will never happen.

Oh, wait, I know what you mean...

That should happen the same day the players on the floor represent the communities which the teams represent. :/

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That should happen the same day the players on the floor represent the communities which the teams represent. :/

Well I believe that officials should look more like a cross section of everyone rather than just 3 of the same type of person on every game. I work in a rather urban area often and there is an effort to hire officials for games that look like the participants on some level.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

...there is an effort to hire officials for games that look like the participants on some level.

Several yeas ago I was selected to officiate a game involving the visiting Irish National Junior Team. I was told that both my partner, and I, were selected because we were both Irish American (our assignment commissioner at the time was also Irish American). It seemed "right" at the time, but now I wonder if that's the "American" way? Should race, national origin, religion, gender, sexual orientation, age, etc., be used in the assignment of games?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well I believe that officials should look more like a cross section of everyone rather than just 3 of the same type of person on every game. I work in a rather urban area often and there is an effort to hire officials for games that look like the participants on some level.

Peace

I believe they call that (hiring based on race) illegal discrimination.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*I was surprised that the crew was entirely female. Not even one male ref. Which prompted me to wonder--since I had recently been writing about "age, racial, and gender bias" in officiating--why was a male ref not on there?

I have to be very cautious about drawing conclusions because it has been pointed out to me that my analysis of "age, gender, racial bias in the officiating industry" is too "simplistic". Was the evaluative rating of the male refs too low? Was there not a male ref willing to request the game? Were these the three highest rated refs available--which just by sheer probability just happened to be all "female"?
If I were to postulate why there were no male refs in that game, then the most parsimonious explanation would simply be: "the assignor only wanted to use only female refs".

In the last 6 years there have been 54 on-court Final Four officials. 16 have been male.

2 males have worked the final in the last 6 years out of 18 assignments.

If you're going to work women's college as a male, this is a reality you sign up for.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

In the last 6 years there have been 54 on-court Final Four officials. 16 have been male.

2 males have worked the final in the last 6 years out of 18 assignments.

If you're going to work women's college as a male, this is a reality you sign up for.

And a reason that many of us have decided that was not for us. I actually like their philosophy and respect it totally.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*I was surprised that the crew was entirely female. Not even one male ref. Which prompted me to wonder--since I had recently been writing about "age, racial, and gender bias" in officiating--why was a male ref not on there?

I have to be very cautious about drawing conclusions because it has been pointed out to me that my analysis of "age, gender, racial bias in the officiating industry" is too "simplistic". Was the evaluative rating of the male refs too low? Was there not a male ref willing to request the game? Were these the three highest rated refs available--which just by sheer probability just happened to be all "female"?
If I were to postulate why there were no male refs in that game, then the most parsimonious explanation would simply be: "the assignor only wanted to use only female refs".

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have no problem with it. Other than the coaches who have to win to get to that level, why not the crew represent the players on the floor?

Peace

What Jeff said. And as an NCAAW official it doesn't bother me one bit.

As I said/implied earlier in this thread, I work with a lot fewer female officials than you might think in both NCAA and HS GV. I had two quarterfinal and one semifinal GV game last month and of the nine officials assigned only one was female. It changes slightly in the lower levels of NCAA and JUCO but not a whole lot. Believe me, men have their chances but the desire is to have female officials for the high-profile events at the highest levels. Makes sense to me.