Syracuse v. Gonzaga (video request)

[NNJOfficial]

[QUOTE=rbruno;985281]I thought the same thing as other officials I'm sure ... why is the C making an out of bounds call on the endline. As far as it not being in his primary ... the ball and players WERE in his primary in that corner. I believe the ball came off a rebound out to that corner so his eyes would be there. If you try to rationalize. .. The lead was just as far away maybe looking in the lane for rebound action (fouling on purpose stuff) or whatever. Tough angle and look for both officials to catch (and his foot was damn close) his foot on the line. Had to stop a closeup replay to be sure myself. So no one had a good look at it as it happened quickly. I mean if a tipped ball went out on the endline there I'm sure the lead would have stopped the clock and looked to the C for help.[/

That's right. The play was in his primary and he had the matchup. I didn't see the lead's position on this but it appears he was opposite so likely much further away than the C at FTL extended. Keep in mind the court is 50 feet wide.

All that don't call my line BS is just that. Yes, stay in your primary 99% of the time, but occasionally your partner will miss a call and will thank you for grabbing it. The official was trying to get the play right and from his angle it did appear that Cooney was OOB.

Look at it from the other side...let's say Cooney's foot was touching the line and he didn't make the call despite looking directly at the matchup. If the lead has no whistle then you should make the call. When we make calls outside of our primary they should be without question - a foul or violation that everyone in the building can see. You give the primary a chance to call it and if he doesn't you have a cadence whistle (slightly delayed). That's the mistake the official made in this instance. He thought he had the play right but it was not definitive. The teaching point here is, as always, don't guess!

[biz]

Originally Posted by NNJOfficial

All that don't call my line BS is just that. Yes, stay in your primary 99% of the time, but occasionally your partner will miss a call and will thank you for grabbing it. The official was trying to get the play right and from his angle it did appear that Cooney was OOB.

The teaching point here is, as always, don't guess!

I agree that there is definitely a time to come out of your primary but this is definitely NOT one of them. The C called Cooney for stepping on the endline from above the FT line extended while relatively straightlined!! The C had to look through a defender and try to call a line that he's looking at from a 90* angle. Never a good idea. The L (new T), while admittedly farther away (he was middle of the lane) is looking right down the endline and can see this a whole lot better than the C. My question is why is the C looking down at the line?

My first thought when he blew the whistle (Syracuse fan btw) was utter shock, then I immediately said (out loud) he must have been way OOB if the C called it. I wonder how the L/T missed it? Then I saw the replay.

Either way this is NOT the call to trumpet the merits of coming out of your primary to make a call. As you say he, "tried to get the play right and from his angle it did appear that Cooney was OOB." This is exactly why it's not the C's call! He can't possibly know with any certainty if Cooney was OOB which is why it is particularly shocking that he blew the whistle when the L/T had a pretty good look at it.

[NNJOfficial]

Originally Posted by biz

I agree that there is definitely a time to come out of your primary but this is definitely NOT one of them. The C called Cooney for stepping on the endline from above the FT line extended while relatively straightlined!! The C had to look through a defender and try to call a line that he's looking at from a 90* angle. Never a good idea. The L (new T), while admittedly farther away (he was middle of the lane) is looking right down the endline and can see this a whole lot better than the C. My question is why is the C looking down at the line?



My first thought when he blew the whistle (Syracuse fan btw) was utter shock, then I immediately said (out loud) he must have been way OOB if the C called it. I wonder how the L/T missed it? Then I saw the replay.



Either way this is NOT the call to trumpet the merits of coming out of your primary to make a call. As you say he, "tried to get the play right and from his angle it did appear that Cooney was OOB." This is exactly why it's not the C's call! He can't possibly know with any certainty if Cooney was OOB which is why it is particularly shocking that he blew the whistle when the L/T had a pretty good look at it.

I absolutely agree. My point is that we should not be saddled with the antiquated notion that you can never make a call involving your partner's line and this is as good a time to bring it up as any. The collective goal of the crew is to make correct calls and if we make a call that involves our partner's primary or line we should not guess and be 100 percent sure of the call.

I always tell my partners in pregame to grab a call if they see I missed one. There's no such thing as a perfect game and the game is supposed to be about the players, not our egos. If a guy tells me he is not okay with me making a call in his primary if he misses one then I know that our collective performance on the game is going to suffer.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by NNJOfficial

I absolutely agree. My point is that we should not be saddled with the antiquated notion that you can never make a call involving your partner's line and this is as good a time to bring it up as any. The collective goal of the crew is to make correct calls and if we make a call that involves our partner's primary or line we should not guess and be 100 percent sure of the call.

I always tell my partners in pregame to grab a call if they see I missed one. There's no such thing as a perfect game and the game is supposed to be about the players, not our egos. If a guy tells me he is not okay with me making a call in his primary if he misses one then I know that our collective performance on the game is going to suffer.

That is the problem, it "appeared" to be right. But he was totally wrong and the video showed it. He might have gotten away with that in the regular season, but not during this part of the season with more cameras and more scrutiny. That is why you leave it alone. Even if he thought it was right, you have to be more sure and he has a partner looking at the play directly. Trust him and if your partner is wrong, they will never blame you realistically because you do not have the angle.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by NNJOfficial

I absolutely agree. My point is that we should not be saddled with the antiquated notion that you can never make a call involving your partner's line and this is as good a time to bring it up as any. The collective goal of the crew is to make correct calls and if we make a call that involves our partner's primary or line we should not guess and be 100 percent sure of the call.

I always tell my partners in pregame to grab a call if they see I missed one. There's no such thing as a perfect game and the game is supposed to be about the players, not our egos. If a guy tells me he is not okay with me making a call in his primary if he misses one then I know that our collective performance on the game is going to suffer.

When calling outside of your primary it cannot "appear", you have to see it clearly.

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[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

When calling outside of your primary it cannot "appear", you have to see it clearly.

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That's right !!!! If we work together in May stay out of my POND !!!!!! Unless the supervisor walks in and you want to increase your schedule !!!!

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

When calling outside of your primary it cannot "appear", you have to see it clearly.

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The way I heard it put at a couple of camps last year - by the same clinician - was, "Be late, be right, be needed." That was a tough one on all three counts.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

"Be late, be right, be needed."

That's the mantra that we use here in my little corner of Connecticut.

[mtn335]

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[Smitty]

Originally Posted by NNJOfficial

All that don't call my line BS is just that. Yes, stay in your primary 99% of the time, but occasionally your partner will miss a call and will thank you for grabbing it. The official was trying to get the play right and from his angle it did appear that Cooney was OOB.

Your argument is absurd considering the official was 100% wrong in this case.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Your argument is absurd considering the official was 100% wrong in this case.

Am I the only one who thought the video was inconclusive? Maybe I haven't seen the right video, but I just couldn't tell whether the call was right or wrong.

That said, I'd hate to reach like that on a play that wasn't clear.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

Am I the only one who thought the video was inconclusive? Maybe I haven't seen the right video, but I just couldn't tell whether the call was right or wrong.

That said, I'd hate to reach like that on a play that wasn't clear.

You probably did not see the right video. It was rather clear that he did not step out of bounds and if he did, it was not something he could have even seen.

Peace

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Adam

Am I the only one who thought the video was inconclusive? Maybe I haven't seen the right video, but I just couldn't tell whether the call was right or wrong.

That said, I'd hate to reach like that on a play that wasn't clear.

There was one angle that was absolutely clear he did not step out of bounds. You could see the color of the court between his shoe and the endline. They did look at the monitor and they had audio on him when he explained the play to someone courtside after the review stating by rule they were not allowed to change his call, so it had to be Gonzaga's ball. So he knew he got it wrong after he looked at the monitor.

I completely agree with your last statement.