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[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

The push *is* the screen. That's all screening activity.

If the dribbler goes the other way I'm calling a push.

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[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If the dribbler goes the other way I'm calling a push.

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You're calling a team control foul either way. What's the difference?

It's an unnecessary distinction.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

You're calling a team control foul either way. What's the difference?

It's an unnecessary distinction.

Seriously? That's like saying that a shooting foul is a shooting foul, and there's no need to say whether it was a push, block, illegal contact, etc. I guess all the different signals in the rule book are just to fill space. Not to mention the definitions for each.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Seriously? That's like saying that a shooting foul is a shooting foul, and there's no need to say whether it was a push, block, illegal contact, etc. I guess all the different signals in the rule book are just to fill space. Not to mention the definitions for each.

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Some people (you in this case) just like to argue even though they are factually incorrect. This conversation needs to be put on hold until you tell us the signal # that's listed as an illegal screen.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Some people (you in this case) just like to argue even though they are factually incorrect. This conversation needs to be put on hold until you tell us the signal # that's listed as an illegal screen.

This has gone way beyond my initial post, and I didn't take it here. But alas...

Now I'm at work so I can't look at the book, but I'll take your words for it. However, I've been using the block signal for an illegal screen for years and nobody has questioned me on it. Maybe it's a local thing and someone told me about it.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

This has gone way beyond my initial post, and I didn't take it here. But alas...

Now I'm at work so I can't look at the book, but I'll take your words for it. However, I've been using the block signal for an illegal screen for years and nobody has questioned me on it. Maybe it's a local thing and someone told me about it.

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Because most illegal screens are blocks. It's not a local thing, it's the proper signal in most cases. But illegal screens can also be holds or pushes, and the appropriate signal is given to the table when reporting. (Add a trip for NCAA-M)

You need to quit acting like folks here just disagree with you for entertainment. If you distrust what we say so much, you need to be in the book more.

If you don't have your books and you've never looked it up, why were you being so adamant on the subject?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because most illegal screens are blocks. It's not a local thing, it's the proper signal in most cases. But illegal screens can also be holds or pushes, and the appropriate signal is given to the table when reporting. (Add a trip for NCAA-M)

You need to quit acting like folks here just disagree with you for entertainment. If you distrust what we say so much, you need to be in the book more.

If you don't have your books and you've never looked it up, why were you being so adamant on the subject?

I felt like I was clear in my first post. I saw push first, then an illegal screen. And the questions regarding my post weren't clear to me.

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[APG]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Seriously? That's like saying that a shooting foul is a shooting foul, and there's no need to say whether it was a push, block, illegal contact, etc. I guess all the different signals in the rule book are just to fill space. Not to mention the definitions for each.

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Since we're getting so unnecessarily technical....there is no illegal screen signal. It just happens that a lot of illegal screens end up being of the blocking foul variety.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If the dribbler goes the other way I'm calling a push.

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How is that any different than how you would report if it was done as part of an illegal screen?

[frezer11]

For play #4, there is no way it is a foul on the defender, I think we're all in agreement on that, but is it a travel? Looks to me like the defender falls while dribbling, then grabs the ball on his butt, then passes. This happens to me a few times a season where a ball handler keeps his dribble during the fall, and passes to a teammate. I think they should've played on there.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How is that any different than how you would report if it was done as part of an illegal screen?

I'm not giving the illegal screen signal nor am I actually saying "illegal screen". I'm giving the push signal and saying "push".

Do you use the traveling signal for a carry or other violation?

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[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I'm not giving the illegal screen signal nor am I actually saying "illegal screen". I'm giving the push signal and saying "push".

Do you use the traveling signal for a carry or other violation?

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My prelim either way is going to be a TC punch. At the table I'll show what he did. As others have said, the push IS the illegal screen. Not all illegal screens are blocking fouls. Some are holds, some are pushes, some are chucks.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

My prelim either way is going to be a TC punch. At the table I'll show what he did. As others have said, the push IS the illegal screen. Not all illegal screens are blocking fouls. Some are holds, some are pushes, some are chucks.

You guys are really taking this far.

You can have a push and then another foul. Like I said... If you deem the push to be the illegal screen that's fine, but I can see a push before the word "screen" even enters my head.

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[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I'm not giving the illegal screen signal nor am I actually saying "illegal screen". I'm giving the push signal and saying "push".

Do you use the traveling signal for a carry or other violation?

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What is an "illegal screen signal?"

The signal is a team control foul -- it doesn't matter if it's a screen, a push, or whatever.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

What is an "illegal screen signal?"

The signal is a team control foul -- it doesn't matter if it's a screen, a push, or whatever.

You can have a pushing foul in and of itself. It doesn't have to be part of an illegal screen.

Btw, there IS an illegal screen signal... It's the same as a blocking signal.

What is the problem here. Are you guys so set on calling me an idiot that you can't think otherwise?

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