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[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The push is the illegal screen.

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If there was no dribbler it would still be a pushing foul on the offensive player... that's the point.

Now, if you say the push happened while he was screening, hence an illegal screen foul... fine, I can see that. But whether it was a screen or not I've got a push.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If there was no dribbler it would still be a pushing foul on the offensive player... that's the point.

Now, if you say the push happened while he was screening, hence an illegal screen foul... fine, I can see that. But whether it was a screen or not I've got a push.

I have no idea what your point is. It's a push, in this case an illegal screen also. Who said it wasn't a push?

[Altor]

2. I was going to question B2 grasping the basket. But after reading NCAAM 10-4-1-e, this may actually be allowed since it wasn't excessive nor emphatic?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have no idea what your point is. It's a push, in this case an illegal screen also. Who said it wasn't a push?

The point is you can possibly call a push BEFORE the screen even happens.

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[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The point is you can possibly call a push BEFORE the screen even happens.

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The push *is* the screen. That's all screening activity.

[Remington]

Anyone else notice the Trail coming in with a foul on play #1? He has to be 10 feet behind the half line when he makes the call. I found that a VERY large stretch. It would have looked quite silly had the C or L not had a whistle on that play as it was nowhere near a "whale" type call.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

The push *is* the screen. That's all screening activity.

If the dribbler goes the other way I'm calling a push.

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[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If the dribbler goes the other way I'm calling a push.

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You're calling a team control foul either way. What's the difference?

It's an unnecessary distinction.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

You're calling a team control foul either way. What's the difference?

It's an unnecessary distinction.

Seriously? That's like saying that a shooting foul is a shooting foul, and there's no need to say whether it was a push, block, illegal contact, etc. I guess all the different signals in the rule book are just to fill space. Not to mention the definitions for each.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If the dribbler goes the other way I'm calling a push.

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How is that any different than how you would report if it was done as part of an illegal screen?

[frezer11]

For play #4, there is no way it is a foul on the defender, I think we're all in agreement on that, but is it a travel? Looks to me like the defender falls while dribbling, then grabs the ball on his butt, then passes. This happens to me a few times a season where a ball handler keeps his dribble during the fall, and passes to a teammate. I think they should've played on there.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How is that any different than how you would report if it was done as part of an illegal screen?

I'm not giving the illegal screen signal nor am I actually saying "illegal screen". I'm giving the push signal and saying "push".

Do you use the traveling signal for a carry or other violation?

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