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[Dad]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

What is the problem here. Are you guys so set on calling me an idiot that you can't think otherwise?

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Nap time.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Seriously? That's like saying that a shooting foul is a shooting foul, and there's no need to say whether it was a push, block, illegal contact, etc. I guess all the different signals in the rule book are just to fill space. Not to mention the definitions for each.

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Since we're getting so unnecessarily technical....there is no illegal screen signal. It just happens that a lot of illegal screens end up being of the blocking foul variety.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Some people (you in this case) just like to argue even though they are factually incorrect. This conversation needs to be put on hold until you tell us the signal # that's listed as an illegal screen.

This has gone way beyond my initial post, and I didn't take it here. But alas...

Now I'm at work so I can't look at the book, but I'll take your words for it. However, I've been using the block signal for an illegal screen for years and nobody has questioned me on it. Maybe it's a local thing and someone told me about it.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

This has gone way beyond my initial post, and I didn't take it here. But alas...

Now I'm at work so I can't look at the book, but I'll take your words for it. However, I've been using the block signal for an illegal screen for years and nobody has questioned me on it. Maybe it's a local thing and someone told me about it.

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Because most illegal screens are blocks. It's not a local thing, it's the proper signal in most cases. But illegal screens can also be holds or pushes, and the appropriate signal is given to the table when reporting. (Add a trip for NCAA-M)

You need to quit acting like folks here just disagree with you for entertainment. If you distrust what we say so much, you need to be in the book more.

If you don't have your books and you've never looked it up, why were you being so adamant on the subject?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because most illegal screens are blocks. It's not a local thing, it's the proper signal in most cases. But illegal screens can also be holds or pushes, and the appropriate signal is given to the table when reporting. (Add a trip for NCAA-M)

You need to quit acting like folks here just disagree with you for entertainment. If you distrust what we say so much, you need to be in the book more.

If you don't have your books and you've never looked it up, why were you being so adamant on the subject?

I felt like I was clear in my first post. I saw push first, then an illegal screen. And the questions regarding my post weren't clear to me.

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[jpgc99]

I'm the one that brought up the question in the first place, and it was a sincere question.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

3. It looks like the screener actually pushes the defender from behind, meaning it should have been a pushing foul. If you pass on that, then I'm not 100% sold on the illegal screen call.

The part above in bold is what was concerning to me. The statement implies that an illegal screen can only be a blocking foul. As we have explained, an illegal screen can be a block, a hold, a push, a chuck, etc.

The action in play 3 is an illegal screen, and it is an illegal screen because of the push.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

I'm the one that brought up the question in the first place, and it was a sincere question.



The part above in bold is what was concerning to me. The statement implies that an illegal screen can only be a blocking foul. As we have explained, an illegal screen can be a block, a hold, a push, a chuck, etc.

The action in play 3 is an illegal screen, and it is an illegal screen because of the push.

I had a pushing foul. IMO, it didn't matter what the dribbler did, where he was, etc. The offensive player displaced the defender.

You say that push and the screening action occurred at the same time, thus an illegal screen. I didn't see it like that the first time, but upon further viewing, like I said, I'm good with that.

I had no problem with that question, just the subsequent responses telling me what I said is the same thing. It's not... There can be a push separate from an illegal screen.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I had a pushing foul. IMO, it didn't matter what the dribbler did, where he was, etc. The offensive player displaced the defender.

You say that push and the screening action occurred at the same time, thus an illegal screen. I didn't see it like that the first time, but upon further viewing, like I said, I'm good with that.

I had no problem with that question, just the subsequent responses telling me what I said is the same thing. It's not... There can be a push separate from an illegal screen.

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Which goes back to my question, which signal would you give to the table regardless if it were a screen or not? You were the one telling us it was wrong to call an illegal screen a push.

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[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Which goes back to my question, which signal would you give to the table regardless if it were a screen or not? You were the one telling us it was wrong to call an illegal screen a push.

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Hey, I admitted I was wrong when I said there must not be an illegal screen signal (same as blocking signal). But there is a pushing signal. And that there is the difference I was referring to.

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[BryanV21]

Try this...

At the table..
1. Say "white 32" while using one hand to signal a three then a two.
2. "team control foul" while touching the back of my head (local thing they want us to do to make it clear no free throws)
3. "push" while giving the push signal.

Or...

1. and 2. stay the same
3. "illegal screen" while giving the block signal.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

1. and 2. stay the same
3. "illegal screen" while giving the block signal.

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You can say illegal screen, but that is not what the signal is called. I also will say "illegal screen" but I rarely say the signal, I describe the action like saying, "Push in the back on the rebound" while giving a "push" signal.

Peace

[Rich]

And in some locations, the team control signal is the only one to be given on a team control foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

And in some locations, the team control signal is the only one to be given on a team control foul.

In my state they want us to give the type of foul after the TC signal.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Try this...

At the table..
1. Say "white 32" while using one hand to signal a three then a two.
2. "team control foul" while touching the back of my head (local thing they want us to do to make it clear no free throws)
3. "push" while giving the push signal.

Or...

1. and 2. stay the same
3. "illegal screen" while giving the block signal.

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My state HS authority and every college observer or supervisor I've met want the proper signal for the act that happened.

You can call this play an illegal screen, a push, or whatever, but the SIGNAL will be a PUSH.

But if your local association is doing its own thing, don't get mad at us because we reference what the rule book and manual say.

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[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

My state HS authority and every college observer or supervisor I've met want the proper signal for the act that happened.

You can call this play an illegal screen, a push, or whatever, but the SIGNAL will be a PUSH.

But if your local association is doing its own thing, don't get mad at us because we reference what the rule book and manual say.

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Like I said, I give the block signal and I haven't been corrected. And I can't say where I got that from. My ass? Idk

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