Duke/Virginia PC/B call

[Raymond]

The defendant was stationary upon contact but was still moving when A1 went airborne, imo.

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[Nevadaref]

This isn't a screening play. Being "stationary" is not required and the player is allowed to be moving at the time of contact. The rules allow the defender to jump into the air vertically, or even turn or duck to absorb contact.

Please be precise, if you are going to make a judgment on this play. It's only about reaching a position on the court before the opponent becomes airborne. Don't fall into the misguided thinking that the defender must be a perfectly still statue to take a charge.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This isn't a screening play. Being "stationary" is not required and the player is allowed to be moving at the time of contact. The rules allow the defender to jump into the air vertically, or even turn or duck to absorb contact.

Please be precise, if you are going to make a judgment on this play. It's only about reaching a position on the court before the opponent becomes airborne. Don't fall into the misguided thinking that the defender must be a perfectly still statue to take a charge.

That defender was still sliding into place when the offensive player went airborne. And that's why the Lead called a block

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[bob jenkins]

I think that it's very close and either call would be supported. I have the feet down just as the offensive player is leaving the floor, but the body is still straightening up over the feet.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think that it's very close and either call would be supported. I have the feet down just as the offensive player is leaving the floor, but the body is still straightening up over the feet.

I don't understand how this factors into the analysis. How does it affect your call? Is it relevant in college? I don't see how it would be germane in HS, where LGP requires only two feet touching the court and the front of the torso facing the opponent. Or am I missing something?

[Raymond]

The endline view (from behind the Lead) tells me all I need to know.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The endline view (from behind the Lead) tells me all I need to know.

The whole point of my earlier post was that the endline view is the worst look for this particular play as one is shielded from seeing the offensive player's feet.

The camera view from the sideline seems to be a better look to me.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I don't understand how this factors into the analysis. How does it affect your call? Is it relevant in college? I don't see how it would be germane in HS, where LGP requires only two feet touching the court and the front of the torso facing the opponent. Or am I missing something?

It doesn't, really. At least it doesn't based on a conversation with the SRE about another play posted on the forum two years ago. To paraphrase his thoughts (in no particular order)...

*Defenders aren't required to become statues once their feet hit the ground. It's not a fair expectation.
*Every player has their own vertical plane and they're allowed to rise within that plane. That includes straightening up.
*If their body moves forward outside their vertical plane and there's contact, they've committed a foul.

Again, that's me paraphrasing him.

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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

It doesn't, really. At least it doesn't based on a conversation with the SRE about another play posted on the forum two years ago. To paraphrase his thoughts (in no particular order)...

*Defenders aren't required to become statues once their feet hit the ground. It's not a fair expectation.
*Every player has their own vertical plane and they're allowed to rise within that plane. That includes straightening up.
*If their body moves forward outside their vertical plane and there's contact, they've committed a foul.

Again, that's me paraphrasing him.

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For the record, I'm not the SRE and I've never spoken to that person, but my thoughts are directly in line with those. Too many officials over penalize defenders.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The defendant was stationary ...

... says Perry Mason.



(I realize that an obsolete definition of defendant is defender, but the word still seemed funny in it's context.)