Last Game of the Season

[deecee]

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[Lcubed48]

Congrats on the finish to your season!

I don't know which official you are. Your crew must have done a good pregame. After the PC foul call (CC - IMO) at the end of the clip, the calling official went right to the table to report and started the "long" switch.

[Amesman]

Agreed -- congrats on the strong finish.

Two observations: Seemed like a lot of empty seats for a state final, at least near the court. Couldn't see how big the arena was. Just seems curious.

And was that last call at the end of the clip a PC or TC?

[Multiple Sports]

Couple observations.....

I noticed twice on the far end that the lead ran across the paint twice to get ball side. If you close down properly to lane line you wont have to run across the paint like the crew did.....

I noticed that the white official on the end closer to guy with video camera as lead rotated as a kid was launching a three.... if you are L and a kid catches a
ball outside of arc wide open,the shot is going up. You are rotating as he is in act of shooting. This throws off court coverage for T and C....

Finally....the lead has a play on this end where the kid rides out the taller rebounder. Hold your whistle a second longer and that play becomes a try ( 2 ft throws ) as the big gets the rebound. Yes you have a foul but if the big can play through the initial ride out give him a shooting foul.....

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Couple observations.....

I noticed twice on the far end that the lead ran across the paint twice to get ball side. If you close down properly to lane line you wont have to run across the paint like the crew did.....

I noticed that the white official on the end closer to guy with video camera as lead rotated as a kid was launching a three.... if you are L and a kid catches a
ball outside of arc wide open,the shot is going up. You are rotating as he is in act of shooting. This throws off court coverage for T and C....

Finally....the lead has a play on this end where the kid rides out the taller rebounder. Hold your whistle a second longer and that play becomes a try ( 2 ft throws ) as the big gets the rebound. Yes you have a foul but if the big can play through the initial ride out give him a shooting foul.....

Why would you not want to go ball side as lead...?

Rotating is fine, just pre-game if you're going to finish or not on a shot. I've never been on a crew that finishes. Just go back if it keeps the crew in good position.

Why are you penalizing defense giving phantom FTs?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dad

Why would you not want to go ball side as lead...?

Rotating is fine, just pre-game if you're going to finish or not on a shot. I've never been on a crew that finishes. Just go back if it keeps the crew in good position.

Why are you penalizing defense giving phantom FTs?

Where did he say he doesn't want to go ball side?

Everyone I've ever heard has said if a shot is imminent, hold off a second. This is how rotations get missed. Not a huge deal, but easily avoided sometimes.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Adam

Where did he say he doesn't want to go ball side?

Everyone I've ever heard has said if a shot is imminent, hold off a second. This is how rotations get missed. Not a huge deal, but easily avoided sometimes.

I noticed twice on the far end that the lead ran across the paint twice to get ball side. If you close down properly to lane line you wont have to run across the paint like the crew did.....

Didn't fully understand what this meant.

[Bad Zebra]

I watched the whole game. Overall, nice job. Congrats on getting to Lakeland. BTW...my association initially was assigned to that game. One of the teams in that final was from our area, so they were re-assigned...not sure which game they ended up on.

[griblets]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I watched the whole game. Overall, nice job. Congrats on getting to Lakeland. BTW...my association initially was assigned to that game. One of the teams in that final was from our area, so they were re-assigned...not sure which game they ended up on.

They were reassigned to the 3A game, which is the game we were originally assigned.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Dad

Why would you not want to go ball side as lead...?

I respectfully disagree with this mentality. I want to go ball side if the clues are present, i.e. there's a post matchup present or anticipated, or if a wing/corner play is setting up opposite me. Short of that, the crew is better off moving less, which helps us see plays develop better. If the C can handle the workload, let him have it while L focuses on secondary defenders.

Another thing is that the longer the basketball officiating community has been doing 3p, the better we've been getting at understanding secondary coverages (curl plays, frontside open looks, etc.). Again, less movement is better than more for a crew well-versed in secondary coverage.

I'm not saying don't rotate. I'm saying do so with a purpose. It's not about lead being ball side so much as it is the crew as a whole being in the best position to maximize primary and secondary coverage views. Sometimes that means not rotating.


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[Dad]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I respectfully disagree with this mentality. I want to go ball side if the clues are present, i.e. there's a post matchup present or anticipated, or if a wing/corner play is setting up opposite me. Short of that, the crew is better off moving less, which helps us see plays develop better. If the C can handle the workload, let him have it while L focuses on secondary defenders.

Another thing is that the longer the basketball officiating community has been doing 3p, the better we've been getting at understanding secondary coverages (curl plays, frontside open looks, etc.). Again, less movement is better than more for a crew well-versed in secondary coverage.

I'm not saying don't rotate. I'm saying do so with a purpose. It's not about lead being ball side so much as it is the crew as a whole being in the best position to maximize primary and secondary coverage views. Sometimes that means not rotating.


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What mentality? I asked a question and you gave a good answer. As far as moving more/less, it probably depends on the person. Although, when I think about this it's more of correctly/incorrectly moving/not moving.

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Finally....the lead has a play on this end where the kid rides out the taller rebounder. Hold your whistle a second longer and that play becomes a try ( 2 ft throws ) as the big gets the rebound. Yes you have a foul but if the big can play through the initial ride out give him a shooting foul.....

Disagree. The foul is clearly on the rebound and IMO is not one you can let go and see what happens.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Disagree. The foul is clearly on the rebound and IMO is not one you can let go and see what happens.

Sure you can.....I agree it is a foul but if the big can get the rebound as he is getting ridden out, then give him a shooting foul. If he doesn't get the rebound because he is pushed out, then pop your whistle. This is why the so the NBA officials are SO far ahead of everybody....at the hs and lower college levels everybody wants that foul as soon as the defender starts to ride him out....let play begin develop and finish !!!!!