Elbow scenario

[Nevadaref]

At minimum, I would call an excessive elbow swinging violation.

Depending upon how I view the act, I might call a technical foul for unsporting behavior, which could even be flagrant.

Consider if the player had thrown a punch at her teammate. That conduct is unacceptable.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

At minimum, I would call an excessive elbow swinging violation.

Depending upon how I view the act, I might call a technical foul for unsporting behavior, which could even be flagrant.

Consider if the player had thrown a punch at her teammate. That conduct is unacceptable.

I consider throwing an elbow at someone's head just as bad as throwing a punch.

Purposely contacting someone in the head with an elbow? I'm leaning towards the player no longer being on the court.

[Camron Rust]

Agree....the player tried to swing it at an opponent. Just because she was wrong and it was a teammate is no reason to ignore the act. At a minimum, call the violation. If you though she was trying to hurt someone with it, call a T.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree....the player tried to swing it at an opponent. Just because she was wrong and it was a teammate is no reason to ignore the act. At a minimum, call the violation. If you though she was trying to hurt someone with it, call a T.

Can't call a T - it's a live ball. I'm sure you meant an Intentional.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Can't call a T - it's a live ball. I'm sure you meant an Intentional.

I don't think you can have an intentional either. An intentional HAS to be on an opponent, not between teammates.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I don't think you can have an intentional either. An intentional HAS to be on an opponent, not between teammates.

And I may be wrong - since it was non-contact it could be a T I suppose.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Smitty

And I may be wrong - since it was non-contact it could be a T I suppose.

Not only "could be" but "must be" if a foul is called.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree....the player tried to swing it at an opponent. Just because she was wrong and it was a teammate is no reason to ignore the act. At a minimum, call the violation. If you though she was trying to hurt someone with it, call a T.

If you think she was trying to hurt someone, I would think you have more than a T.

I still don't think I'd have anything here, maybe a talk with the player and/or coach. I certainly wouldn't argue the violation call, but it seems to me that it is called so infrequently that many officials wouldn't go there seeing it live.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I certainly wouldn't argue the violation call, but it seems to me that it is called so infrequently that many officials wouldn't go there seeing it live.

Its infrequency is no reason to not call the violation, especially considering the potential for serious injury. I had this call earlier this season; after the game, my partner chastised me for making something up, but he was apologetic when I showed him the rule.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Its infrequency is no reason to not call the violation, especially considering the potential for serious injury. I had this call earlier this season; after the game, my partner chastised me for making something up, but he was apologetic when I showed him the rule.

Quality right there.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by frezer11

If you think she was trying to hurt someone, I would think you have more than a T.

A flagrant T is still a T. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise.

[Adam]

I'm with Camron. If you think she's intentionally trying to strike an opponent in the head with her elbow, get her off the court. If you don't, she's going to hurt someone.

If you think it wasn't intentional, but just dangerous, a violation may be in order. The OP was clear, however, that he thought it was intentional and aimed at an opponent. I'm not risking my game by letting her play.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm with Camron. If you think she's intentionally trying to strike an opponent in the head with her elbow, get her off the court. If you don't, she's going to hurt someone.

If you think it wasn't intentional, but just dangerous, a violation may be in order. The OP was clear, however, that he thought it was intentional and aimed at an opponent. I'm not risking my game by letting her play.

I understand what you guys are saying. I just feel like this is digging a little too deep into the rule book for something that accidentally happened amongst teammates. Now the word accidentally might not be the right choice, but I wasn't there to see it.

If you guys want to call the violations/fouls listed above, I couldn't argue against it.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

At minimum, I would call an excessive elbow swinging violation.

Depending upon how I view the act, I might call a technical foul for unsporting behavior, which could even be flagrant.

Consider if the player had thrown a punch at her teammate. That conduct is unacceptable.

That's not what happened. She threw an elbow (and none of us where there to see the severity).

I'm letting the coach handle it as it was between teammates. I'm not getting involved in that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

That's not what happened. She threw an elbow (and none of us where there to see the severity).

I'm letting the coach handle it as it was between teammates. I'm not getting involved in that.

It was only between teammates on accident. The OP said it was obvious she was aiming for an unseen opponent. That's enough for me.