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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

That would be the difference. RSBQ doesn't matter on my side in that situation. Put it on and leave it on = whistle. We still have to judge whether the BH/D moved into the arm/hand or vice versa but on that one the first thing that came to mind for me was hand check.

I am just telling you that this is not a play I hear any grief about because the defender was retreating his arm and not using it in any way. Never have I called a foul that close as you suggest in college or high school. If the defender kept his arm out from his body then yes I would agree it was a foul, but that is not what happened.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

His so-called arm-bar did not affect anything. He was getting his arm mostly out of the way. That is not how it is expected to be called from my point of view.

Peace

Originally Posted by Mr.C

I've never seen anything close to #1 at HS or NCAA-----happens all the time at middle school, they must teach it at practice. I didn't think the defensive arm hindered the dribbler before the push off.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am just telling you that this is not a play I hear any grief about because the defender was retreating his arm and not using it in any way. Never have I called a foul that close as you suggest in college or high school. If the defender kept his arm out from his body then yes I would agree it was a foul, but that is not what happened.

Peace

My point was that he pushoff was very weak and was preceded by a play that has been clearly defined as an automatic foul, even if it too was weak. No way I'm calling THAT pushoff and not calling the armbar before it.....but I'm probably not calling amrbar for the reasons stated and, thus, I'm not calling the pushoff. It would be completely unfair to the offensive player too call his contact a foul in the presence of the defensive armbar, even if it was a soft one.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

My point was that he pushoff was very weak and was preceded by a play that has been clearly defined as an automatic foul, even if it too was weak. No way I'm calling THAT pushoff and not calling the armbar before it.....but I'm probably not calling amrbar for the reasons stated and, thus, I'm not calling the pushoff. It would be completely unfair to the offensive player too call his contact a foul in the presence of the defensive armbar, even if it was a soft one.

I am very aware of what your point is, I just happened to disagree with your point based on previous videos and previous stances from the NCAA on these matters.

And an armbar is when the arm is to keep you at bay and this did not do that IMO or judgment. Players have arms and usually they are going to go in front of their body at some point. It is not the expectation to never touch the ball handler. Just like it would not be a foul on the ball handler if he arm is out and he touches the defender, you have to do a little more than a touch. Never has the NCAA Men's side took such an "absolute" position.

Peace