Simultaneous Foul Involving Shooter

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

No free throws in any situation. In b and d you go AP for a missed shot or end line throwing,running, for a made basket.

A and c team A ball, I'd the basket was good it is now cancelled.

This is the only correct response so far. I'm surprised that people are so confused as to how to administer a simultaneous foul. The rule is simply--no FTs and go to POI.
In a & c the ball became dead while in A1's hands so Team A is awarded a throw-in nearest that location. In b & d the try in flight causes the ball to remain live until the try ends, so the POI is determined by the result of the try. If successful, Team B is awarded an end line throw-in. If unsuccessful, the AP arrow is used.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This is the only correct response so far. I'm surprised that people are so confused as to how to administer a simultaneous foul. The rule is simple--no FTs and go to POI.

Nevada is correct. We had a similar conversation earlier this year with the same head-scratching answers from many officials. Kind of disappointing, frankly.

This is why when crews get together in situations like this we pretend like we know which foul or whistle came first. It's because we're not ready to administer the rule correctly. So we create some fiction to simplify the ruling. Not good form.


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[griblets]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm surprised that people are so confused as to how to administer a simultaneous foul.

The confusing part (for me) was that one of the fouls was in the act of shooting. It's unnatural for a shooter to be fouled but not receive free throws, thus, the confusion.

Thanks to SNIPERBBB and you for clarifying for me.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by griblets

The confusing part (for me) was that one of the fouls was in the act of shooting. It's unnatural for a shooter to be fouled but not receive free throws, thus, the confusion.

Thanks to SNIPERBBB and you for clarifying for me.

There are a couple of case plays that deal with this (or similar). they are separated by a couple of pages so it's hard to compare them directly, but it's interesting to see the differences.

I'll try to find them tonight or tomorrow.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This is the only correct response so far. I'm surprised that people are so confused as to how to administer a simultaneous foul. The rule is simply--no FTs and go to POI.
In a & c the ball became dead while in A1's hands so Team A is awarded a throw-in nearest that location. In b & d the try in flight causes the ball to remain live until the try ends, so the POI is determined by the result of the try. If successful, Team B is awarded an end line throw-in. If unsuccessful, the AP arrow is used.

This sounds more or less the same way your would administer a blarge call -- something that many officials around my parts pregame

Ball released on shot--AP if missed or count basket and B ball anywhere on endline if made
Ball not released (or released on a pass) -- Ball dead imediately. A in Team control at time of fouls so it remains A's ball for throwin.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

This sounds more or less the same way your would administer a blarge call -- something that many officials around my parts pregame

Ball released on shot--AP if missed or count basket and B ball anywhere on endline if made
Ball not released (or released on a pass) -- Ball dead imediately. A in Team control at time of fouls so it remains A's ball for throwin.

That's because simultaneous and double fouls are covered by the same rule.