Fouled But Gets 5th Foul On A T?

[Valley Man]

The post game report was probably because Jay Bilas wouldn't shut up. He kept spewing what was going to happen and he wasn't even close. He is the one insisting that the opposing coach gets to choose. When R came and told him what the scenario was, you know he never said "I WAS WRONG".

[twocentsworth]

Poor technical foul...players actions do not meet ANY of the Class A Technical Foul definitions.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Poor technical foul...players actions do not meet ANY of the Class A Technical Foul definitions.

Easy to say from the replay booth. It really isn't hard for a player in that situation NOT to get a T. Just toss the damn ball to an official. The calling official was behind him. He could have easily interpreted the ball slam as an expression by the player "about time foul called" or a taunt "we win" etc. Many things that fit an A. As a player you learn in the 4th grade slamming the ball is bad. Ideally, a T isn't called here but I don't put it on the official.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Easy to say from the replay booth. It really isn't hard for a player in that situation NOT to get a T. Just toss the damn ball to an official. The calling official was behind him. He could have easily interpreted the ball slam as an expression by the player "about time foul called" or a taunt "we win" etc. Many things that fit an A. As a player you learn in the 4th grade slamming the ball is bad. Ideally, a T isn't called here but I don't put it on the official.

I don't think it was a bad call, as it seems to be the expected call. I just don't see how it breaks any rules.

1. It wasn't taunting. I've never seen a player taunt without actually engaging an opponent or the opponent's bench directly.
2. I didn't sense it was overly exuberative. A teammate caught it, from what I understand.
3. It's not inciting the crowd.
4. He wasn't objecting to a call.
5. It didn't actually delay the game, which is the rule most people are quoting.

It's expected, I get that, I just can't think of a rule it violates.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't think it was a bad call, as it seems to be the expected call. I just don't see how it breaks any rules.

1. It wasn't taunting. I've never seen a player taunt without actually engaging an opponent or the opponent's bench directly.
2. I didn't sense it was overly exuberative. A teammate caught it, from what I understand.
3. It's not inciting the crowd.
4. He wasn't objecting to a call.
5. It didn't actually delay the game, which is the rule most people are quoting.

It's expected, I get that, I just can't think of a rule it violates.

When I see it on replay I say pass on it. The kid was excited. I can see though, how the calling official, from behind, might interpret it as unsportsmanlike. "about time you called the foul" or "F yeah --we win" which is what i think he yelled. You could tell by the look on the kid's face he was immediately remorseful/worried but the official behind didn't see his face etc.

I wouldn't rely on delay of game. As i said, slamming the ball, rightly or wrongly, is viewed as bad. The official may have just reacted on that being unsporting. The ball wasn't caught until it bounced a few times. I don't think it was that bad but, as i said, easy to not get a T.

[JRutledge]

Peace

[frezer11]

Commentary certainly doesn't help.

It's weak, but it's there. I think I would try to avoid calling this if at all possible, but I think it could be justified.

Because the phrase "Preventing the ball from being made live" is not well defined, is there anyone who would attempt to call this a delay of game? That not giving the ball to the official effectively "prevented the ball from being made live" on the ensuing free throws? Before the 'you're crazy' responses, I realize that that interpretation is a stretch, but I think it would be a great rule change to include things like this, that maybe don't rise to the level of a technical foul, but should probably still be addressed.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

The post game report was probably because Jay Bilas wouldn't shut up. He kept spewing what was going to happen and he wasn't even close. He is the one insisting that the opposing coach gets to choose. When R came and told him what the scenario was, you know he never said "I WAS WRONG".

That's not true, he clearly said before the explanation that he wasn't sure and, after the explanation, said that he didn't know that and hadn't seen it before and, again quite clearly, distinguished this situation from if a fouled player is injured.