Best ways to find time for coaches

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

If you disagree the call and you let that come across as you give your partners explanation, how does that help anything?

Well, I did say that if I vehemently disagree with the call, that I wouldn't do this. If it's a call I disagree with, but it's not a big deal (like a close travel call), then I'm not going to throw my partner under the bus and say I disagree or act like it.

A quick... "my partner told me he had the player's left foot as the pivot, and he lifted it before the dribble."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Well, I did say that if I vehemently disagree with the call, that I wouldn't do this. If it's a call I disagree with, but it's not a big deal (like a close travel call), then I'm not going to throw my partner under the bus and say I disagree or act like it.

A quick... "my partner told me he had the player's left foot as the pivot, and he lifted it before the dribble."

IMO, if your partner had time to come tell you, he had time to go tell the coach. I'm trying envision why he would be explaining something to you that he wouldn't also need to explain to coach himself, other than a double whistle where you two decide what occurred first and you relay your joint decision.

[JRutledge]

I only speak to coaches when they initiate the conversation and it makes sense to talk to them. We worry too much about coaches and what they have to say. Just call your game and let that speak for yourself most of the time.

Peace

[deecee]

I don't initiate conversation with a coach nor do I speak for my partner.

[BryanV21]

I care about what you guys say, so I'm curious as to why this is such a problem.

I'm not putting words in my partners mouth, nor am I having a three minute conversation with the coach about what my partner said. A quick "my partner said your player lifted his pivot foot before the dribble" seems harmless to me. If that's not enough, then the coach will have to wait.

Trust me, there have been plenty of times when there was a foul called by the lead or center, and I... as the trail... was by the coach and he wanted me to explain the call. To which I'd say something like "I wasn't looking there, you'll have to check with my partner."

When I said it was "very rare", I meant it. Hell, I can't remember it happened, but it seems like something I might have done.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I care about what you guys say, so I'm curious as to why this is such a problem.

I'm not putting words in my partners mouth, nor am I having a three minute conversation with the coach about what my partner said. A quick "my partner said your player lifted his pivot foot before the dribble" seems harmless to me. If that's not enough, then the coach will have to wait.
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Again, why would your partner tell you this instead of telling the coach himself?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Again, why would your partner tell you this instead of telling the coach himself?

I know for me, regardless of intentions, I wouldn't trust anyone else to relay a message where even one changed word could set a coach off.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Again, why would your partner tell you this instead of telling the coach himself?

I don't know. Maybe I haven't done it, it just sounded like something I could do to help the coach and my partner. A way to improve communication with coaches. Who knows?

It'll probably never happen, or have to happen. But just in case, because stranger things can and will pop up, I'd like to know why it's a problem like some have made it out to be. Instead of, like BNR has said, something that simply shouldn't come up.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Adam

I know for me, regardless of intentions, I wouldn't trust anyone else to relay a message where even one changed word could set a coach off.

Thank you

[Adam]

I think BNR was alluding to the same problem I identified.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I don't know. Maybe I haven't done it, it just sounded like something I could do to help the coach and my partner. A way to improve communication with coaches. Who knows?

It'll probably never happen, or have to happen. But just in case, because stranger things can and will pop up, I'd like to know why it's a problem like some have made it out to be. Instead of, like BNR has said, something that simply shouldn't come up.

Here is an example from something that happened in my association. A coach didnt like a travel call against his player. A possession or 2 later he asks one of the non-calling official who was in front of him about it. After the exchange, the coach yells across the court, "See, even your own partner didnt think it was a travel." The non-calling official would later explain that "all he did" was answer a hypothetical about if the kid had done X blah blah blah." But the coach took it and ran with it and was trying to divide and conquer like many coaches like to do.

Again, there is just no upside to trying to relay info on judgement calls. None. If your partner has time to tell you, then he can find time to tell the coach. If its that important. Again, 98% of the time its not. And most of the time the coach doesnt even really want an explanation. They are trying to manipulate the situation and gain an advantage for the next call.

Bottom line is that trying to relay info does nothing to improve communication with the coach and often can lead to problems. Its too easy for things to get lost in translation even if you quote your partner verbatim.

I agree that communication with coaches is important. But being a middle man is not the way to do it.

[Adam]

If I'm the partner who talked about the hypothetical and the coach did that, we're all getting a short free throw break.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Here is an example from something that happened in my association. A coach didnt like a travel call against his player. A possession or 2 later he asks one of the non-calling official who was in front of him about it. After the exchange, the coach yells across the court, "See, even your own partner didnt think it was a travel." The non-calling official would later explain that "all he did" was answer a hypothetical about if the kid had done X blah blah blah." But the coach took it and ran with it and was trying to divide and conquer like many coaches like to do.

Again, there is just no upside to trying to relay info on judgement calls. None. If your partner has time to tell you, then he can find time to tell the coach. If its that important. Again, 98% of the time its not. And most of the time the coach doesnt even really want an explanation. They are trying to manipulate the situation and gain an advantage for the next call.

Bottom line is that trying to relay info does nothing to improve communication with the coach and often can lead to problems. Its too easy for things to get lost in translation even if you quote your partner verbatim.

I agree that communication with coaches is important. But being a middle man is not the way to do it.

That has nothing to do with this situation. The official in your situation wasn't commenting on a previous call.