High School Travel Call (Video)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

I agree with the sentiment that if you need slo-mo to determine a travel then it's best to leave it alone.

I need slo-mo from this angle. As the lead, would I?

[OKREF]

If you judge the right foot is the pivot, it's a travel.
If you judge the left foot is the pivot, it's a travel. The reason for me is he drags the left foot after picking it up.

[Camron Rust]

• He begins to hold the ball with the right foot on the floor making it the pivot.
• Then, he steps on his left foot.
• Then, he steps again on this right foot...which makes it a travel.
• And just in case you were unsure if he was holding the ball or not initially, he drags the toes of his left foot on the floor as he brings it through....also a travel.

[just another ref]

The guy in the video obviously didn't need slo-mo.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The guy in the video obviously didn't need slo-mo.

Or did he call what looked funny? We would have to ask him if he knew what really happened.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Or did he call what looked funny? We would have to ask him if he knew what really happened.

Peace

I've seen too many to count here which may or may not have "looked funny" that were incorrectly no called, so maybe a slight correction in the other direction is not totally unthinkable.

[just another ref]

Watching Duke/NC . I was curious to see how long it would take to see a missed obvious travel.

4 minutes

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Watching Duke/NC . I was curious to see how long it would take to see a missed obvious travel.

4 minutes

As opposed to a high school game? Suuuurreeeee!!!

Peace

[just another ref]

What does a high school game have to do with it? We constantly note travels which are missed/ignored at the college level. You say "Yeah, but they miss them in high school, too." So what? I'm sure they do, but they're not on tv. So now you post a difficult play from a high school game which was correctly called. Not sure what the point was.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Or did he call what looked funny? We would have to ask him if he knew what really happened.

Peace

If we have no way of knowing, why even bother asking the question? Everyone is just going to guess.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Welpe

If we have no way of knowing, why even bother asking the question? Everyone is just going to guess.

Well it is assumed that other levels pass on travels purposely, so why can't we make reasonable assumptions about the high school level?

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What does a high school game have to do with it? We constantly note travels which are missed/ignored at the college level. You say "Yeah, but they miss them in high school, too." So what? I'm sure they do, but they're not on tv. So now you post a difficult play from a high school game which was correctly called. Not sure what the point was.

I think we have more video from college games. But when I see HS videos, I see a lot of incorrectly called travels whether they be ones that did not take place or ones that were not called.

Again, this is your point you like to make. I have said for years that traveling is the hardest and most inconsistently called thing in all of basketball. I do not care what level we are talking about, we miss travels often. It is not unique to one level.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well it is assumed that other levels pass on travels purposely, so why can't we make reasonable assumptions about the high school level?

Peace

With as frequent and as obvious as travels often are, the only explanations that fit are that it is purposefully ignored even when it is seen or they just don't even watch for it.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by AremRed

No travel.

I'm leaning the same way here knowing the better look is obviously from the L position. But, based on what I see in the video angle, the left foot is pivot when he gathers. The left foot does not touch the floor again until after the player releases for a try. No travel. But, boy, does it look goofy.

[Raymond]

The picture doesn't tell me anything.

If the Lead saw that he gathered with his right foot down, then it's a travel I would have called.

If his left was the pivot I have no travel. I would not have noticed that slight drag of the toe at real speed.