Time out or not?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

IF my partner want's to reach out of his PCA for something like this it's his pot to stew in. I won't even listen to a coach. I just respond, "I cannot speak for my partner so you should ask him." It's also not worth discussing until after the game with my partner.

In this case the official closest to the coach should make the determination if the TO was requested with they had player control. Next would be the official with PCA. Definitely NOT the third guy in progression. He's doesn't know where the ball WAS when the TO was called, unless he's a ball hawk.

What????

Any official on the floor can grant the timeout if that can get a view on the ball and can confirm who is requesting the timeout. The C couldn't, apparently. They don't have to be ballwatching to look for it at the time of the request. The official with primary coverage can't talk his/her eyes off the play to verify who is yelling timeout. Anyone that hears timeout who can look to see where the ball is SHOULD grant it if they can see it in control. Seems like this partner is the perfect one to grant the time out since he/she could confirm the coach was calling for it and could see the ball. Often, it is an official farthest from the play that is facing the bench that gets this.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What????

Any official on the floor can grant the timeout if that can get a view on the ball and can confirm who is requesting the timeout. The C couldn't, apparently. They don't have to be ballwatching to look for it at the time of the request. The official with primary coverage can't talk his/her eyes off the play to verify who is yelling timeout. Anyone that hears timeout who can look to see where the ball is SHOULD grant it if they can see it in control. Seems like this partner is the perfect one to grant the time out since he/she could confirm the coach was calling for it and could see the ball. Often, it is an official farthest from the play that is facing the bench that gets this.

In this case I just didn't picture from the description that the L had the player and ball. He was just described as being near. I imagined L watching post play and ball in the corner behind him.

I would add that it's these officials that grant TO when opponents both have possession of the ball or when a ball is loose and we have an interrupted dribble. I do not prefer the farthest official to grant TO's unless possession is clear. Best case scenario is they may have been right, but in a lot of cases clear player/team control is questionable.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

In this case I just didn't picture from the description that the L had the player and ball. He was just described as being near. I imagined L watching post play and ball in the corner behind him.

I would add that it's these officials that grant TO when opponents both have possession of the ball or when a ball is loose and we have an interrupted dribble. I do not prefer the farthest official to grant TO's unless possession is clear. Best case scenario is they may have been right, but in a lot of cases clear player/team control is questionable.

I see it as any official hears the coach request it, confirms that, then looks to check the status of the ball....regardless of where the ball is. If they can see that it was in PC at the time, great, grant the timeout....even if the whistle comes just after it is no longer in PC.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I see it as any official hears the coach request it, confirms that, then looks to check the status of the ball....regardless of where the ball is. If they can see that it was in PC at the time, great, grant the timeout....even if the whistle comes just after it is no longer in PC.

Uh oh. Someone's going to come along soon to say why you're wrong. Not me, cause you're not, of course.

[Rob1968]

NFHS Officials Manual 3.4.3 Held Ball:
A. While the PCA official is more likely to make the call, any official may recognize and sound his/her whistle for a held ball.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I see it as any official hears the coach request it, confirms that, then looks to check the status of the ball....regardless of where the ball is. If they can see that it was in PC at the time, great, grant the timeout....even if the whistle comes just after it is no longer in PC.

I don't disagree with this train of thought per se. I do think that often times officials out of position to grant the TO are making a guess and I think it's better they don't.