Too many quarters

[frezer11]

During the intermission between the 3rd and 4th quarter, team A forgets to send a sub to the table in time to replace A6, who has reached the state limit on quarters played. While we don't care about the quarter limit, the team obviously does, and my question is: is there any rules justification for getting the sub in the game in exchange for a tech? My common sense says there is something they could do here, because the technical is obviously less of a penalty than an eventual forfeit.

[Rich]

They can call a timeout, right?

[frezer11]

They were out, but even taking an excessive would be better. Wow, can't believe I didn't think of that earlier. For the record, not my game, but rather my home town team was the visitor, and the the home team ended up not doing anything and had to forfeit the game this morning.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by frezer11

They were out, but even taking an excessive would be better. Wow, can't believe I didn't think of that earlier. For the record, not my game, but rather my home town team was the visitor, and the the home team ended up not doing anything and had to forfeit the game this morning.

Maybe, the officials could have said by conference/state rules(whatever) A1 is no longer eligible to participate and a sub is required. Even after the first horn....just a thought.

[Danvrapp]

Ideas...

In the spirit of the game--if B HC is not pitching a fit--just wave the kid in and play ball.

What about an argument along the lines of telling B HC that the table just now informed us all that A6 is about to play his/her 6th quarter and, based upon that (new) knowledge, we have to sub him/her out. Thinking along the lines of letting a kid play with 5 fouls for a minute because the table failed to let us know...we wouldn't penalize this, just immediately get the kid out of the game after we're made aware.

Worst case, if you have any chance of pulling it off successfully, can you step up and (wink, wink) say you saw the kid on the way to the table before the horn went off?

[SNIPERBBB]

This obviously varies by state but here ohio says1.9) Penalty for participation in more than five (5) quarters per day:
• When discovered during a contest, the team shall be assessed a technical foul by the
official and the student shall be disqualified from the game. All quarters played shall
count toward the maximum permitted.
• When discovered after a contest is completed, there is no team or individual penalty
but all quarters played by the individual shall count toward the maximum permitted
for the player.
1.10) Length of quarters:
a. Varsity — 8 minute quarters.:

[BlueDevilRef]

Yowza. No game penalty in Missouri for this, it's taken care of at state. A forfeit seems pretty harsh. Especially in the OP since the kid tried to get replaced. That sucks

[Rich]

I know I suggested a timeout, but I'd allow the sub.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

I know I suggested a timeout, but I'd allow the sub.

As would I.

"Coach, you're saying #25 is no longer eligible? I need a sub, then."

[Nevadaref]

I officiate by the NFHS rules book. I don't care about any restrictions that are particular to a league/conference about playing quarters. That is not my concern. The coaches and ADs can worry about that stuff. I'm not bending the substitution rules to accommodate them. If they encounter a problem they can take a time-out to prevent a player participating.

Officials shouldn't have to worry about such things. They are outside of our purview.

[OKREF]

Next time they have the ball, just stop play and get the sub in.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Officials shouldn't have to worry about such things. They are outside of our purview.

Except that in some places, they do have to worry because they are in the rules.

In the OP, I'd ask the state (if they haven't already addressed it) how to deal with it.

We see similar items reasonably frequently in baseball where "local rules" are added without considering how the umpire should enforce them.

Local rules are made by fools.

[frezer11]

From what I understand, the officials were made aware of the situation after the fact by a team B assistant who was keeping the book, who apparently also did the JV game. The home team didn't say anything about why they needed a sub. I think I would've tried to let the sub in if I knew what the deal was, but if the opposing coach was aware and/or upset, then I'm making the home team take a TO. Never seen a score of 2-0 reported until now!

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Yowza. No game penalty in Missouri for this, it's taken care of at state. A forfeit seems pretty harsh. Especially in the OP since the kid tried to get replaced. That sucks

It is a bit harsh, but at the same time, this is one of those things that assistants CAN'T allow to happen. Someone has to keep watch of these things, everyone knows about the quarter limit. And at the end of the day, whether it's for grades or quarters or whatever, if an ineligible player plays, it's a forfeit

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I officiate by the NFHS rules book. I don't care about any restrictions that are particular to a league/conference about playing quarters. That is not my concern. The coaches and ADs can worry about that stuff. I'm not bending the substitution rules to accommodate them. If they encounter a problem they can take a time-out to prevent a player participating.

Officials shouldn't have to worry about such things. They are outside of our purview.

I officiate on a basketball court in the real world. Not on an Internet forum and not inside a rules book.

I know these rules quite well because I'm a conference commissioner and I handle waivers that teams request (smaller programs can get a waiver for players to play in a 3rd half per night). I get that not every official is going to be versed in these rules, but I can't help that. That night, my concern is the game in front of me.