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As others have said, there is no requirement or support for the concept that the coach reviewing and signing the official book absolves the scorer for his/her responsibilities. The official scorekeeper's responsibilities are clearly spelled out in 2-11 and the first line reads "The scorer shall: keep a record of the names and numbers of players..." (2-11-1). Rule 2-11-2 provides the scorer with instruction to "notify the nearer official when there is an infraction of the rules - pertaining to submission of the roster...". The scorer is solely responsible for what is in the book, and the team is solely responsible for submitting a roster.
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ps: I don't want this to come off as a criticism or condemnation...if this practice works for you, the teams and the referees, by all means continue with it. I only make this point to highlight what others have commented on regarding the responsibility of the team to provide the information.
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I never said the rule book doesn't allow you to do that. I was saying that it's something an official can do on his own, meaning it's not specifically said to do in the rule book, to make sure it's not a case of the team presenting the wrong lineup/starters. It's a way to prove an error in copying the lineup/starters into the official book, which can then be corrected without error. I know I'm not the most well-spoken person here, but I don't think it was that hard to understand what I've been saying. |
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We also have an association heavy on people who ask the coaches to sign the bottom of the book verifying they have checked it (even at the subvarsity level).The officials here seem to like it especially because 99.999999995% of the time you have less than 10 minutes between JV girls and JV boys,JV boys and Var girls,or Var girls and Var boys.
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The rule book says it's a T to change the starters after the 10 minute mark. If the coach submitted the correct starters to the scorer, but the scorer messed it up, the coach isn't changing his starters. There's no T that can or should be called. If you think we're in agreement, we can let this go. If you think we disagree, you can still let it go. I'm good either way, but feel free to tell me what you think I'm missing. I'm clarifying again, only for the sake of clarifying. In the OP, we are obligated to determine whether the coach correctly submitted his roster and starters before the deadline. Calling a T on the coach for changing a starter when, in fact, he submitted the correct starters, is wrong by rule.
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And we worked the misunderstanding out. I'm not going to reiterate what I've spent the past two days explaining. If you care about it enough then you can go back and read what I've been saying about the words "check the visitor book" being in the rule book. |
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I'm not going straight to the visitor book, I'm asking the coach how he provided the information and we'll go from there. Added: I know we're probably in agreement, I just wanted to address the part about the words not being in the book.
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In my opinion, this is where basketball needs to do what volleyball does. In volleyball, the coach has to turn in a roster and lineup sheet to the table at a specified time before the match and before each set.
In basketball, you can easily require the coaches to turn in a roster sheet with a column to list the starters. This would be the only legal way to turning in the roster/starters for a game. That paper, like in volleyball, would be required to stay at the table. Should an issue with the starters / roster come to the officials attention, there is one piece of paper that the officials can use to verify if the roster / starters was properly turned in. If the coach screwed up, they get the consequence. If the scorer screwed up, we fix the mistake and move on. With this required piece of paper, we avoid the confusion of "Where did you get the information from?" It comes from one specific, legally defined location, that is accessible to all parties involved. |
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