Univ of New Mexico @ San Diego State: Throw In Violation

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't like public criticism of judgment calls.

This.

The play was so close in real time on a judgement call that a public statement from the conference was unexpected.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

This.

The play was so close in real time on a judgement call that a public statement from the conference was unexpected.

The other perspective could be that the call is obviously wrong and the point of the release was not so much to acknowledge that as to note the difficulty of making that call in real time.

While this was a very close judgment call made at full speed, it has been determined after careful review of slow-motion video replays

[deecee]

What's wrong with public criticism. This is a black or white call. Official got it wrong and it was admitted. Nothing can be done about it and the official shouldn't get punished, but the statement is correct. The play being close in real time or not doesn't change the fact that it's either right or wrong and consensus can be gained.

It's different with block/charge or contact fouls.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

What's wrong with public criticism. This is a black or white call. Official got it wrong and it was admitted. Nothing can be done about it and the official shouldn't get punished, but the statement is correct. The play being close in real time or not doesn't change the fact that it's either right or wrong and consensus can be gained.

It's different with block/charge or contact fouls.

I believe he is talking about the conference saying something. I tend to agree with that opinion.

Peace

[deecee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I believe he is talking about the conference saying something. I tend to agree with that opinion.

Peace

I don't see anything wrong with the conference admitting an incorrect call like this one. It's obvious it was the wrong call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't see anything wrong with the conference admitting an incorrect call like this one. It's obvious it was the wrong call.

It is obvious if you slow it down. It was not obvious enough IMO to call because the call it will bring scrutiny. I bet almost no one would have said anything if he passed on this call in the first place. It would have to be more obvious to call IMO in such a critical moment.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is obvious if you slow it down. It was not obvious enough IMO to call because the call it will bring scrutiny. I bet almost no one would have said anything if he passed on this call in the first place. It would have to be more obvious to call IMO in such a critical moment.

Peace

Right. If the conference had to determine the call was wrong after "careful review of slow-motion replays" it's probably not the best idea to call out the crew in public. The two other situations discussed in the Forum this year (NCAAW Big Sky - fouls reset in OT and NCAAW D3 - T at the end of regulation for team celebrating on the court) didn't require slow-motion replays. Those situations were mishandled. This is a judgment play.

[BigCat]

It doesn't look from the statement that its main purpose was to criticize the officials. They made it clear slow motion was required etc. Seems more like they wanted to inform people that the rule does not require both feet down to establish position and, perhaps more, that the play, by rule, is not reviewable.

(the knucklehead announcer was saying two feet necessary..over and over)

[ballgame99]

He acted like he thought this was a spot throw in. He didn't give the 'you have the endline' signal but was saying something to the inbounder when he handed him the ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

He acted like he thought this was a spot throw in. He didn't give the 'you have the endline' signal but was saying something to the inbounder when he handed him the ball.

The signal he gave indicated to me he thought the player caught the ball with IB status and carried it OOB.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by Adam

The signal he gave indicated to me he thought the player caught the ball with IB status and carried it OOB.

What signal would you give if a team ran this play from a spot throw in? I believe you would still give the 'over and back'-type signal, would you not?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

He acted like he thought this was a spot throw in. He didn't give the 'you have the endline' signal but was saying something to the inbounder when he handed him the ball.

As I was reading through the thread, this is what I was thinking. At least at the HS level I've never seen players smart enough to use this tactic when a non-designated spot throw-in is administered following a timeout.

I can't imagine it happens at the college level that much, either. So maybe the official got caught off guard, or maybe he just missed the call. Whatever the case, I'm glad I watched the clip; I'll be ready for it if it happens to me.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

At least at the HS level I've never seen players smart enough to use this tactic when a non-designated spot throw-in is administered following a timeout.

It doesn't happen often, but it's often enough that we should be ready for it. It's a good topic for the official's huddle during the TO.

And, be sure to either watch the clock and / or instruct the timer -- they are more likely to "get it wrong" than the officials.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't see anything wrong with the conference admitting an incorrect call like this one. It's obvious it was the wrong call.

Only on slow-motion.

If they're going to talk about close missed calls like that in a game, they'd have a dozen or more every game (many of them travels uncalled). I don't see the value in announcing this aside from education of what the rule itself should be, not so much that a judgement call was missed.

[BryanV21]

If this happened in the first half, or any other time except for at the end of the game, the call would have been forgotten long ago. Being that it happened that late, the conference probably felt it had to say something about the controversy.

I doubt the official that made the call is losing sleep over it. We know we're not Gods, so I'm sure he does too.