When is cheating not cheating vs when is cheating unsportsmanlike?

[Adam]

Once it's clear to me that the defense what the defense is attempting to do, I'm going to warn their coach that the next one will be a technical foul.

Both teams are doing things to delay this game gain an advantage, but only one is breaking the rules to do it.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Adam

Once it's clear to me that the defense what the defense is attempting to do, I'm going to warn their coach that the next one will be a technical foul.

Both teams are doing things to delay this game, but only one is breaking the rules to do it.

I'm switching to what you should do\what you said. Ran to get my book to quote 9.3.3 D, but I had forgotten the end of it:

If time is not a factor, the defense should be penalized with the violation or a technical foul for unsporting behavior

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dad

I'm switching to what you should do\what you said. Ran to get my book to quote 9.3.3 D, but I had forgotten the end of it:

If time is not a factor, the defense should be penalized with the violation or a technical foul for unsporting behavior

I think the reference is the delay of game T on players (actionless contest). I don't have my book at work, though, so I can't quote the rule.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think the reference is the delay of game T on players (actionless contest). I don't have my book at work, though, so I can't quote the rule.

Non-contact, away from the ball, illegal defensive violations (I.e. blah blah blah) specifically designed to stop the clock near the end of a period or take away a clear advantageous position by the offense should be temporarily ignored. The defensive team should not benefit from the tactic. If time is not a factor, the defense should be penalized with the violation or a technical foul for unsporting behavior

I'd call it a clear advantageous position in this scenario which the defense is attempting to negate.

[just another ref]

The foundation for this to be considered illegal by B is The Intent and Purpose of the Rules passage in the front of the book:

A player or a team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule.

[BryanV21]

This seems simple enough to penalize Team B with an unsportsmanlike technical.

There is nothing in the rules that states it's illegal, in any situation, to purposely miss a free throw. Heck, by just shooting the free throw they are turning the game into an "action contest".

But it is against the rules to go into the lane before the free throw is released. Doing so is not only a violation but actually causes the game to turn into an "actionless contest". And turning the game into an "actionless contest" is grounds for a technical foul.

[Coach Bill]

What if it was obvious what was happening, but on the second attempt A1 accidentally banks it in? Would you count the point and still call the T?

Also, if A has the possession arrow, then would the best course of action be to miss the rim or step over the line and commit a violation yourself after B has entered the lane? That would go to alternating possession arrow, correct?

[HokiePaul]

A team shall not:
ART. 5 . . . Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:

c. Commit a violation of the throw-in boundary-line plane, as in 9-2-10, after any team warning for delay.

I'd cite this as being close enough to article c. above and after warning the coach, would have no problem issuing a technical.


Before that point, however, I would be watching closely for pushes/holds by both teams in these situations. It's pretty impressive that in the scenario presented, the free thrower was able to avoid violation himself by hitting the rim all 3 times, and that there was no pushing/holding/jersey grabbing during the rebounding action for 3 straight attempts.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

A team shall not:
ART. 5 . . . Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:

c. Commit a violation of the throw-in boundary-line plane, as in 9-2-10, after any team warning for delay.

I'd cite this as being close enough to article c. above and after warning the coach, would have no problem issuing a technical.


Before that point, however, I would be watching closely for pushes/holds by both teams in these situations. It's pretty impressive that in the scenario presented, the free thrower was able to avoid violation himself by hitting the rim all 3 times, and that there was no pushing/holding/jersey grabbing during the rebounding action for 3 straight attempts.

I'm not letting it get to three. It's going to be obvious after the 1st or 2nd, so the third will be a technical foul and I'm calling disconcertion if the rim is missed along with the TF.