Hanging on the Rim

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

[mrroberts]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

Close, but I'm on the lenient side so I would have passed.

With that said he probably does just a very slight pull up but almost immediately after that he appears to be looking down to make sure nobody is below him before he releases.

In regards to the other 3 videos... I agree that 1 and 3 are good calls. #2 on the Brow was a bad call.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

I wouldn't even think about calling it. Pulling up on the rim a bit helps the swinging and control a bit. He let go once the momentum pretty much stopped.

[wildcatter]

Originally Posted by Dad

I wouldn't even think about calling it. Pulling up on the rim a bit helps the swinging and control a bit. He let go once the momentum pretty much stopped.

I agree, though I'm pretty lenient too. From a safety perspective, I imagine it's a lot safer to pull up just a little bit for control purposes. Without some tension from pulling up, the player has to be worried about his hands losing his grip and his body swinging through and going flying. Maybe in a college or pro game where these guys have a lot more body control, but in a HS game, I'm letting that go for sure. To me, and maybe someone else has a better interp, that's still grasping the basket to prevent injury to himself.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by wildcatter

I agree, though I'm pretty lenient too. From a safety perspective, I imagine it's a lot safer to pull up just a little bit for control purposes. Without some tension from pulling up, the player has to be worried about his hands losing his grip and his body swinging through and going flying. Maybe in a college or pro game where these guys have a lot more body control, but in a HS game, I'm letting that go for sure. To me, and maybe someone else has a better interp, that's still grasping the basket to prevent injury to himself.

There is no planet where one needs to go parallel to the ground after a dunk. That only happens when the player dunking pulls his whole body up.

[wildcatter]

Originally Posted by deecee

There is no planet where one needs to go parallel to the ground after a dunk. That only happens when the player dunking pulls his whole body up.

It doesn't matter that he pulled his body up, to whatever extent, as long as he was trying to prevent injury to himself. He may have pulled up more than he anticipated, but he's not an NBA player so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't see anywhere in the rules where going parallel to the ground is an automatic T. He let go as soon as he got his balance and was able to land on his feet.

We're going to agree to disagree on this one.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by wildcatter

It doesn't matter that he pulled his body up, to whatever extent, as long as he was trying to prevent injury to himself. He may have pulled up more than he anticipated, but he's not an NBA player so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't see anywhere in the rules where going parallel to the ground is an automatic T. He let go as soon as he got his balance and was able to land on his feet.

We're going to agree to disagree on this one.

He's allowed to *hang*. He's not allowed to *pull up*.

[wildcatter]

Originally Posted by Rich

He's allowed to *hang*. He's not allowed to *pull up*.

Sorry, I don't have my case book on me, but where does it specify the difference and that he's not allowed to pull up to avoid injury? Hanging and pulling up sound like terms that have different meanings to different people. In your case, pulling up sounds like the player has body control and he intentionally pulled the rim down further for reasons other than safety.

When his momentum is taking him forward that fast, he has to put tension on the rim to get him back to a safe position. In my case, I call that pulling up. If he puts a little too much on it, his body goes up. If I think he's doing it to avoid injury vs. showboating, I'm ok with it.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by wildcatter

It doesn't matter that he pulled his body up, to whatever extent, as long as he was trying to prevent injury to himself. He may have pulled up more than he anticipated, but he's not an NBA player so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't see anywhere in the rules where going parallel to the ground is an automatic T. He let go as soon as he got his balance and was able to land on his feet.

We're going to agree to disagree on this one.

What Rich said. The rule allows for a player to hang on the rim to prevent injury. He simply didn't do that. That's as easy a T as I can see. He might as well have slapped the backboard on the way down.

I have no problem disagreeing with a position that is 100% incorrect. I have seen at least 2 similar videos where my HS and college assignors and interpreters have said it's a T. I'll go by their directive and my judgement.

[wildcatter]

Originally Posted by deecee

What Rich said. The rule allows for a player to hang on the rim to prevent injury. He simply didn't do that. That's as easy a T as I can see. He might as well have slapped the backboard on the way down.

I have no problem disagreeing with a position that is 100% incorrect. I have seen at least 2 similar videos where my HS and college assignors and interpreters have said it's a T. I'll go by their directive and my judgement.

Great. Super helpful. Good to know this position if 100% incorrect, without citing any specific rules, case plays, or similar videos. If the intention of your reply was to antagonize, it was successful.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

Hey, that was at my alma mater. That's interesting.

I think they want us to get that one in Ohio based on the video they should from the tournament last year.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Hey, that was at my alma mater. That's interesting.

I think they want us to get that one in Ohio based on the video they should from the tournament last year.

What's the reason for wanting you to get it? I'm pretty lenient on dunks for safety reasons, but maybe one of these days the other side will get me.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Dad

What's the reason for wanting you to get it? I'm pretty lenient on dunks for safety reasons, but maybe one of these days the other side will get me.

The feet going above the bottom of the backboard was given as a good indicator that the player unnecessarily exaggerated his swing.

A very similar dunk to this one happened in the OHSAA state finals (I think it even got discussed here). It was shown and the referee who called the T was commended both for the call and his calm manner in which he called it.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

That's a T. There is no planet where his body had to go parallel to the ground with that dunk. He doesn't have to release right away but that's an easy T IMO.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

Play on...that's nothing.