Hanging on the Rim

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by deecee

You cannot hang on the rim period. UNLESS it's to avoid injury. Make sure no one is underneath him and he doesn't appear off balance. If those are NO then T.

And further, all you can do is avoid injury. So if you do a pull up, etc. you should get a T even if just hanging would have been okay.

[wildcatter]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

And further, all you can do is avoid injury. So if you do a pull up, etc. you should get a T even if just hanging would have been okay.

This is right, and where a lot of confusion takes place. I am really lenient on hanging on the rim Ts, and I've had partners that catch these 'pull ups' that I miss. Here are a couple videos.

1) [NBA - but still applies]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfaaN-MFC_k

2) Kentucky vs. Mississippi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XRIqAXSYpo

3) High school (I think?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwOmGZys74

Thoughts?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by wildcatter

This is right, and where a lot of confusion takes place. I am really lenient on hanging on the rim Ts, and I've had partners that catch these 'pull ups' that I miss. Here are a couple videos.

1) [NBA - but still applies]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfaaN-MFC_k

2) Kentucky vs. Mississippi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XRIqAXSYpo

3) High school (I think?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwOmGZys74

Thoughts?

#1 & #3 are T's, Anthony Davis' was not, IMO.

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

[mrroberts]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

Close, but I'm on the lenient side so I would have passed.

With that said he probably does just a very slight pull up but almost immediately after that he appears to be looking down to make sure nobody is below him before he releases.

In regards to the other 3 videos... I agree that 1 and 3 are good calls. #2 on the Brow was a bad call.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

I wouldn't even think about calling it. Pulling up on the rim a bit helps the swinging and control a bit. He let go once the momentum pretty much stopped.

[wildcatter]

Originally Posted by Dad

I wouldn't even think about calling it. Pulling up on the rim a bit helps the swinging and control a bit. He let go once the momentum pretty much stopped.

I agree, though I'm pretty lenient too. From a safety perspective, I imagine it's a lot safer to pull up just a little bit for control purposes. Without some tension from pulling up, the player has to be worried about his hands losing his grip and his body swinging through and going flying. Maybe in a college or pro game where these guys have a lot more body control, but in a HS game, I'm letting that go for sure. To me, and maybe someone else has a better interp, that's still grasping the basket to prevent injury to himself.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by wildcatter

I agree, though I'm pretty lenient too. From a safety perspective, I imagine it's a lot safer to pull up just a little bit for control purposes. Without some tension from pulling up, the player has to be worried about his hands losing his grip and his body swinging through and going flying. Maybe in a college or pro game where these guys have a lot more body control, but in a HS game, I'm letting that go for sure. To me, and maybe someone else has a better interp, that's still grasping the basket to prevent injury to himself.

There is no planet where one needs to go parallel to the ground after a dunk. That only happens when the player dunking pulls his whole body up.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

Hey, that was at my alma mater. That's interesting.

I think they want us to get that one in Ohio based on the video they should from the tournament last year.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Hey, that was at my alma mater. That's interesting.

I think they want us to get that one in Ohio based on the video they should from the tournament last year.

What's the reason for wanting you to get it? I'm pretty lenient on dunks for safety reasons, but maybe one of these days the other side will get me.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Dad

What's the reason for wanting you to get it? I'm pretty lenient on dunks for safety reasons, but maybe one of these days the other side will get me.

The feet going above the bottom of the backboard was given as a good indicator that the player unnecessarily exaggerated his swing.

A very similar dunk to this one happened in the OHSAA state finals (I think it even got discussed here). It was shown and the referee who called the T was commended both for the call and his calm manner in which he called it.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

That's a T. There is no planet where his body had to go parallel to the ground with that dunk. He doesn't have to release right away but that's an easy T IMO.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What about this from one of my high school games this year? I'm Slot. https://streamable.com/spzh

Play on...that's nothing.

[Blindolbat]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Play on...that's nothing.

Disagree - I had one almost exactly like this just a couple nights ago. Called a T and the players coach got pissed at the player. He even agreed with me that the player was showboating.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

#1 & #3 are T's, Anthony Davis' was not, IMO.

I don't think #2 is, lots of players underneath him and we don't have a great angle of what's going on underneath.