Three Person Game In Connecticut ...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

The decision to assign a 3 man JV crew followed by a 2 man Varsity crew is a worse decision than wearing a belt.

No it's not. At least it gives that young JV official some 3-man experience. Their other choice is to assign one of the Varsity official a 2-man DH.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

No it's not. At least it gives that young JV official some 3-man experience. Their other choice is to assign one of the Varsity official a 2-man DH.

Why not assign that young JV official to the varsity game? Then he gets 3 man experience and Varsity experience. In the long run this approach would also help get the schools on board for 3 man varsity games.

Ultimately if the association/league have no desire to move to 3 man crews for varsity games, the experience at the JV level becomes irrelevant.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Why not assign that young JV official to the varsity game? Then he gets 3 man experience and Varsity experience. In the long run this approach would also help get the schools on board for 3 man varsity games.

Ultimately if the association/league have no desire to move to 3 man crews for varsity games, the experience at the JV level becomes irrelevant.

It's still a business. The school is only playing X amount of $$$ for those games, which equals the pay for a 2-man crew on each game. It's not leagues/associations that prevent 3-man crews, it's the schools.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's still a business. The school is only playing X amount of $$$ for those games, which equals the pay for a 2-man crew on each game. It's not leagues/associations that prevent 3-man crews, it's the schools.

The schools around here were fighting 3 man crews for quite some time. Now most of them are loving it. They pay more, but they realize that 3 good officials makes the game better. Hiring 3 bad officials is the same thing as hiring a 2 man crew.

The schools are realizing that if you pay the appropriate amount to get 3 good officials, the night is way better. Heck, even 2 good officials can carry a 3rd guy if the 3rd guy isn't as good.

I think wherever all of you guys are at around the country, if your schools get a taste of 3 man and see the benefits, they will come around.

A big part of it for us was the state tourneys use 3 man crews. Why were we using 2 man crews during the season? Made no sense!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Why not assign that young JV official to the varsity game?

Most aren't ready for a game that "counts". Our junior varsity guy was a second year official.

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Ultimately if the association/league have no desire to move to 3 man crews for varsity games, the experience at the JV level becomes irrelevant.

We (officials) have the desire. The State interscholastic sports governing body has the desire. Coaches don't want three person crews. The successful coaches (who are the most vocal, and get the most attention) that press, and play man to man defense, believe it will lead to their best players getting in early foul trouble.

[RedAndWhiteRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Most aren't ready for a game that "counts". Our junior varsity guy was a second year official.



We (officials) have the desire. The State interscholastic sports governing body has the desire. Coaches don't want three person crews. The successful coaches (who are the most vocal, and get the most attention) that press, and play man to man defense, believe it will lead to their best players getting in early foul trouble.

That's dumb as hell. If they're playing defense the way they're supposed to be, they won't get in foul trouble just because there's another guy in stripes on the floor.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef

That's dumb as hell. If they're playing defense the way they're supposed to be, they won't get in foul trouble just because there's another guy in stripes on the floor.

These successful, vocal, powerful coaches (their coaches association acts as a lobby in dealing with our State interscholastic sports governing body) believe that an extra official will see extra fouls that might otherwise go undetected.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

These successful, vocal, powerful coaches (their coaches association acts as a lobby in dealing with our State interscholastic sports governing body) believe that an extra official will see extra fouls that might otherwise go undetected.

They will. More illegal screens, chucking the cutters, and other stuff away from the ball. But overall there won't be more fouls -- some plays that are currently called fouls will be seen better and no-called.

I give you credit, though. I've already decided if we ever go back to 2-person my days of working are over.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

But overall there won't be more fouls as some plays that are currently called fouls will be seen better and no-called.

Get rid of the multisyllable words in your post and I'll forward it to the state basketball coaches association.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich

They will. More illegal screens, chucking the cutters, and other stuff away from the ball. But overall there won't be more fouls -- some plays that are currently called fouls will be seen better and no-called.

I give you credit, though. I've already decided if we ever go back to 2-person my days of working are over.

Well said Rich! That's exactly what a 3 man crew will catch.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

These successful, vocal, powerful coaches (their coaches association acts as a lobby in dealing with our State interscholastic sports governing body) believe that an extra official will see extra fouls that might otherwise go undetected.

Sounds like you guys have to deal with a lot more crap than we do with your associations and powerful coaches etc. etc.

We have a statewide activities association that dictates to schools, A.Ds, and coaches and what is going to happen. There is a board of directors that are elected of course, but there aren't powerful coaches or associations making it harder than it has to be.

The move to 3 man crew has been great.

So basically these powerful coaches know they are getting away with things with a 2 man crew and aren't concerned on the game being officiated better and the game being better?