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Old Wed Feb 03, 2016, 10:38am
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The only time I work JV is part of BJV/BV doubleheaders for small schools. The games are, well, not very challenging. But even if I were doing higher level JV games, I'd sweat some, but I definitely wouldn't be in any way tired enough that it would affect me working a Varsity game behind it, especially with a 20 minute break.
100% correct!!!!!!

If you are too tired to work a varsity game, boys or girls, after working a JV game with a 20 minute break, you probably need to not be officiating anymore and/or get yourself into better shape.

It's fun to hear how all of the different leagues, schools, states, associations, etc operate around the country. 2 man JV/Varsity crews forever here. Then a slow transition to 3 man crews, fought by the schools. Now most everybody is on board around here.
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Old Wed Feb 03, 2016, 05:42pm
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You must have pretty boring JV games. Here, JV games have the speed and intensity of varsity games, just minus the skill. At least in the bigger schools, there's more working to me in the lower levels than at the varsity.
I know we have boring JV games (or what mostly are called sophomore games here). The better players are moved up and not playing those games in the first place. And that includes the bigger schools. Even the fans are not into the game other than the parents of the players.

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Old Wed Feb 03, 2016, 10:31am
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Tired from a JV game? I can barely break a sweat in a JV game no matter how much I hustle.
You said it man!

You are lucky to get what can be described as basketball in a lot of JV games.
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Old Wed Feb 03, 2016, 05:25pm
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Tired from a JV game? I can barely break a sweat in a JV game no matter how much I hustle.
I guess there is JV and JV. The ref's (2 man) are certainly sweating and running in my son's games.

(I think they would really benefit from 3-man. Sometimes when parents around me are screaming "how could you miss that!", I want to turn around and explain that the play happened in a tough spot for a 2-man crew to have an angle on the play . . . and then I roll my eyes to myself and just watch the game . . .)
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Old Wed Feb 03, 2016, 05:44pm
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I guess there is JV and JV. The ref's (2 man) are certainly sweating and running in my son's games.

(I think they would really benefit from 3-man. Sometimes when parents around me are screaming "how could you miss that!", I want to turn around and explain that the play happened in a tough spot for a 2-man crew to have an angle on the play . . . and then I roll my eyes to myself and just watch the game . . .)
When my children are older and are playing basketball, I might not even sit by other parents. If the parents of my kids' teammates are as dumb as the people currently in the stands, I won't be able to take it. I probably won't be able to bite my tongue either.

On the flip side, I really hope I end up having the patience to teach the idiot parents in the stands the rules of the game and how/why things happen out there.
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 12:01pm
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Tired from a JV game? I can barely break a sweat in a JV game no matter how much I hustle.
Several times a year I find JV games can be far more taxing on my body than varsity games. Unless we have a different idea of what JV is or your schools tend to be small and JV isn't very good. There are some 5A+ schools around here where the JV has all the athleticism of varsity, but very immature in their fundamentals. Far more running with turnovers and well run presses.

My most memorable game of the year was two top tier 5A rivalry schools going at it. In hind sight I was extremely happy to get the JV game and not the varsity. The varsity crew all wished they were on our game instead --they had a boring blowout. Probably the most I've run all year in a game.
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Old Wed Feb 03, 2016, 08:43am
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You three person guys don't know how lucky you've got it.
We've all worked 2-man games on the way to 3-man. That's why we work so hard so hard to get all Varsity schedules or to get on to college staffs.
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Old Wed Feb 03, 2016, 10:27am
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Do not try to adjust your computer monitor. You read the title correctly the first time. I worked a three person game tonight. That's right. In Connecticut.

Illness and injuries have had a major impact on the availability of junior varsity officials recently. We don't usually do junior varsity/varsity doubleheaders here. Varsity coaches frown upon it, thinking that the officials will be tired for their varsity games.

So our assignment commissioner has occasionally scheduled three person junior varsity games, with one junior varsity official (who gets a full junior varsity game fee) and the two varsity officials (who split a junior varsity game fee). After the junior varsity game the two varsity officials work a normal two person varsity game, supposedly less tired than if the varsity officials had worked a two person junior varsity game.

Man, what a difference, physically. If we ever go to three person varsity games, my officiating career can be extended by several years.

You three person guys don't know how lucky you've got it.
We do pretty much nothing but 3 man crews where I'm at.

My take is that it is just as demanding physically if you are working hard and doing your job properly. I think the 3rd person makes it less taxing mentally as your PCA is smaller.

The 3 man crew is just better for fans, players, and coaches. You miss less with 3 guys out there.
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