Running out of bounds and returning

[DrPete]

I only work up to the high school level and didn't know if there was some slight difference in the NCAA rule set. I thought I could (somewhat) trust the commentators, Brent Musberger and Fran Fraschilla........ But I will stick to what I know and ignore the commentators from here on.


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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DrPete

I only work up to the high school level and didn't know if there was some slight difference in the NCAA rule set. I thought I could (somewhat) trust the commentators, Brent Musberger and Fran Fraschilla........ But I will stick to what I know and ignore the commentators from here on.


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Trust your training when it comes to commentators.

[thedewed]

I'm confused on the result if have possession with 2 hands saving the ball, momentum taking player off the court and he leaves the ball on the court, goes out of bounds, then returns with one foot in bounds. can he be first to touch the ball in that scenario?

how about same situation but player was dribbling ball instead of just saving ball, is bumped by a teammate out of bounds and ball was left on court, then returns with one foot in the other in the air, can he be first to touch?

I've love to see both men's college and high school rule and quotation of the language. the high school books aren't online.

thanks

[thedewed]

in looking at college casebook, 149, 195, and 261 seem inconsistent. what if you start a dribble but leave court through momentum, can you come back in and be first to touch? the latter 2 of these illustrations seem inconsistent on this issue. the example where you can catch (and thus in control), then leave the ball on the court, go out of bounds via momentum, then come back in, is legal under 149 implies 'control' isn't a problem, but under 261 dribbling is?

[bob jenkins]

Assuming you are NOT leaving the court of your own volition, then it's not a violation to come back in and get the ball.

And, you're back in when one foot is in and the other is NOT out (so it's either in or in the air).

So, take the OOB part out of the plays.

Can a player touch the ball with two hands, leave the ball on the court, run a few steps, come back and get the ball? That's going to depend on whether the player had dribbled prior to this, and whether you consider the touch with two hands to be control, in which case the rest of the action is a dribble.

Similar analysis for the other plays.

[thedewed]

So are you saying that if you are dribbling and go out on momentum, you can't come back in and recover?

that last case example seems to say that the problem with dribbling, leaving, and coming back, was because it was of the player's own volition, not because he was dribbling.

if you catch (thus control) the ball, leave it in the court as you leave it through momentum, then come back in and touch, that appears to be clearly ok under those case examples.

can you use actual language of the books to support what you say?

having an argument with guys in a pick up game, and I'm still not sure about what the books actually say. It's not terribly clear.

thanks,

[thedewed]

so my take on reading all these 3 casebook examples is that the only time you would call a player for out of bounds while in player control is when he is actually in act of dribbling although not touching the ball when one of his feet actually last touched out of bounds. the example where a player can catch the ball while going out of bounds (thus player control) throws it back in bounds, and then goes and recovers is specifically in one of the examples, so even though that technically would be the start of a dribble, the act of intentionally throwing it down to the floor, and even though he was technically in player control the last time he touched it before releasing it in bounds, he still can go back and get it and continue dribbling, the only issues being potential traveling, double dribble, not going out of bounds as long as went out through momentum and natural basketball play. i have to say from observation that the majority of players don't understand that you can do that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by thedewed

So are you saying that if you are dribbling and go out on momentum, you can't come back in and recover?

that last case example seems to say that the problem with dribbling, leaving, and coming back, was because it was of the player's own volition, not because he was dribbling.

if you catch (thus control) the ball, leave it in the court as you leave it through momentum, then come back in and touch, that appears to be clearly ok under those case examples.

can you use actual language of the books to support what you say?

having an argument with guys in a pick up game, and I'm still not sure about what the books actually say. It's not terribly clear.

thanks,

No, if you're dribbling and step out of bounds, you're out of bounds immediately rather than when you retouch the ball. Now, if it's an interrupted dribble, that's different and legal.

If you're going to try to win an argument with guys from a pickup game, you're better off just buying a round of beer and moving on. But if you're going to try anyway, you'll need to start by settling on a rule set (NFHS, NCAA, FIBA, NBA) and a specific situation.