Incredibly Embarrassing Moment

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

Wouldn't this be a team control foul?

Rule 4-12-2

A team is in control of the ball:
a. when a player of the team is in control
b. while a live ball is being passed among teammates
c. during an interrupted dribble
d. when a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in

Part "d" makes me think that there is no team control when a player of a team has disposal of the ball for a free throw, because if that's the case then why did the NFHS say that in "d" without saying something similar for a free-thrower?

That's my interpretation, and it could very well be wrong.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Rule 4-12-2

A team is in control of the ball:
a. when a player of the team is in control
b. while a live ball is being passed among teammates
c. during an interrupted dribble
d. when a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in

Part "d" makes me think that there is no team control when a player of a team has disposal of the ball for a free throw, because if that's the case then why did the NFHS say that in "d" without saying something similar for a free-thrower?

That's my interpretation, and it could very well be wrong.

Look up player control and see if "A" gets you there. IIRC, it's "Holding a live ball inbounds."

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

Look up player control and see if "A" gets you there. IIRC, it's "Holding a live ball inbounds."

Oh, I get that. When I first look at the rule book, and saw that, I was with you. Part d of that rule makes me wonder. Like devil's advocate, right?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Oh, I get that. When I first look at the rule book, and saw that, I was with you. Part d of that rule makes me wonder. Like devil's advocate, right?

Only one of the criteria has to be met. In this case, "a" is met so it's TC.

The good news is, the right team got the ball.

The bad news is, they had to give up their next AP possession to get it.
The other bad news is they got it under the wrong basket.

Seems like a wash to me.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

A team is in control of the ball:
a. when a player of the team is in control
b. while a live ball is being passed among teammates
c. during an interrupted dribble
d. when a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in

Part "d" makes me think that there is no team control when a player of a team has disposal of the ball for a free throw, because if that's the case then why did the NFHS say that in "d" without saying something similar for a free-thrower?

Because it's covered in Part A. The free thrower is holding a live ball. That's the definition of being in control.

For a throw-in, disposal doesn't necessarily mean "holding" the ball. It just means "you have a reasonable opportunity to be holding the ball, but are opting not to." Disposal for a FT means you already have the ball.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by ODog

Because it's covered in Part A. The free thrower is holding a live ball. That's the definition of being in control.

For a throw-in, disposal doesn't necessarily mean "holding" the ball. It just means "you have a reasonable opportunity to be holding the ball, but are opting not to." Disposal for a FT means you already have the ball.

As long as you have started the 10 second count, the ball is at the disposal. What if the free throwing team stays in the huddle of a TO? The official will perform a 'resumption of play' procedure and place the ball on the free throw line.
I'm just saying......

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

As long as you have started the 10 second count, the ball is at the disposal. What if the free throwing team stays in the huddle of a TO? The official will perform a 'resumption of play' procedure and place the ball on the free throw line.
I'm just saying......

And in the context of the OP, there would be no PC or TC in that case.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Adam

And in the context of the OP, there would be no PC or TC in that case.

Interesting (?) that "disposal" creates TC during a throw-in, but not during a FT.

Oversight or intentional?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Interesting (?) that "disposal" creates TC during a throw-in, but not during a FT.

Oversight or intentional?

Possibly because "disposal" on a FT is going to lead to either a timeout or a violation?

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Interesting (?) that "disposal" creates TC during a throw-in, but not during a FT.

Oversight or intentional?

Originally Posted by Adam

Possibly because "disposal" on a FT is going to lead to either a timeout or a violation?

Hmmm ... interesting scenario. If there is no player/team control when the ball is at the disposal of the free-thrower when using the ROP procedure, wouldn't that mean that a timeout could not be granted? Only outcome ... violation.