Act of Shooting...Foul...Horn...Release -- Score It?

[SAK]

The release of the ball and the time on the clock has nothing to do with being in the act of shooting. You can be fouled in the act of shooting and release the ball after the horn. In that case you get 2 or 3 shots but because the ball was not released before the horn the basket cannot count if it goes in. Remember to shoot the foul shots prior to ending the period.

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[crosscountry55]

There's another one in there somewhere, too, with words that say, "however, the timer cannot get the clock stopped in time and time for the fourth quarter expires" or something like that.

It also says nothing about adding time back on.


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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SAK

5.6.2 SITUATION D:
Team A trails 60-59 with just a few seconds remaining in the fourth quarter of play. A1 is fouled in the act of shooting by B1 but time expires before the ball is in flight. A1 is awarded two free throws. The coach of Team B is charged with a technical foul before A1’s attempts. A1 makes: (a) neither throw; (b) one throw; or (c) both throws. When does Team A shoot the free throws resulting from the technical foul?
RULING:
In (a) and (b), the two free throws for the technical foul are attempted as part of the fourth quarter as the foul occurred before the fourth quarter had ended. In (a), the two free throws for the technical foul will determine if an extra period is necessary. In (b), the one successful free throw ties the game and if either free throw for the technical foul is successful, no extra period is required. In (c), the two successful free throws dictate there will be no extra period. The free throws for the technical foul are not administered as the outcome of the game has been determined. A quarter or extra period does not end until all free throws which could affect the outcome of the game have been attempted and related activity has been completed. (4-41-1; 5-6-3 Exception; 6-7-7

Read the first part of the thread. It does not say anything about adding time back to the clock.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

There's another one in there somewhere, too, with words that say, "however, the timer cannot get the clock stopped in time and time for the fourth quarter expires" or something like that.

It also says nothing about adding time back on.

Please note that both of these case plays predate the current NFHS rules which have eliminated lag time for the timer. We have to interpret them in the context of the current rules, not under those during which they were authored.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Please note that both of these case plays predate the current NFHS rules which have eliminated lag time for the timer. We have to interpret them in the context of the current rules, not under those during which they were authored.

You have my attention. Request you go into more detail about the old rule language, what has changed, and what the applicable rule-article-section is.

I'm dubious because:

A) language about definite knowledge has always been in place (at least as long as I can remember).

B) the case plays are still in the book, and with the NFHS's propensity to quietly remove old case plays, one has to wonder why they haven't removed or edited these two.

C) it's not like we have precision timing packs and monitors in HS, so why would the NFHS deliberately remove timer lag time allowance when the definite knowledge clause has always been a backstop for officials?


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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

You have my attention. Request you go into more detail about the old rule language, what has changed, and what the applicable rule-article-section is.

The rule said something to the effect that "if the timer stops the clock within 1 second of the whistle, that's good enough."

So, if you blew the whistle at 0:05.0 (and were looking at the clock at the time), and the timer stopped the clock at 0:04.0, you'd leave that on the clock.

And, to someone else's question about hundredths of seconds, there's a school here where the clocks above the backboards show tenths when the clock is running (under a minute), but hundredths when the clock is stopped (also under a minute).