Over and back (backcourt) on back tap

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dad

This thinking isn't going to work in all scenarios.

No, but it's a great way to consider whether player control had ever been established.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, but it's a great way to consider whether player control had ever been established.

Sure, but it's wrong and if someone follows it they won't call some BC violations.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Dad

Sure, but it's wrong and if someone follows it they won't call some BC violations.

Explain?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Explain?

I can think of some examples in college (where a TO can't be granted to a player going OOB or into the BC), but I can't think of any off the top of my head for HS.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Explain?

A player doesn't have to be holding or dribbling the ball for a BC violation.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Dad

A player doesn't have to be holding or dribbling the ball for a BC violation.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the action in the front court as the ball was being touched by players - whether to determine whether player control was ever established. That would determine what might happen once the ball is touched in the backcourt.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Dad

A player doesn't have to be holding or dribbling the ball for a BC violation.

At some point that had to have happened.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the action in the front court as the ball was being touched by players - whether to determine whether player control was ever established. That would determine what might happen once the ball is touched in the backcourt.

This makes a lot more sense if it's what he meant.

Thanks.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dad

This makes a lot more sense if it's what he meant.

Thanks.

Yes, he is referring to the action in the FC. Was there PC in the FC. One test of PC is would you grant a TO while the player in question was in contact with the ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dad

A player doesn't have to be holding or dribbling the ball for a BC violation.

In order to have a BC violation, player control has to be have been established at some point (either in the FC or the BC) so that TC gets established. The "would you call a timeout" guideline only helps determine if there was, at any point, player control. If one is still missing BC violations after that, it's strictly because one does not know the BC rule.

[pfan1981]

Originally Posted by Dad

This makes a lot more sense if it's what he meant.

Thanks.

That is what I meant. My apologies.

When a ball is getting batted around after a shot or a throw in, I think to myself: would I grant a timeout in this situation? If the answer is yes, then I may have the possibility of a backcourt violation. If not, then play on.

Originally Posted by bainsey

Was there control in the BC, or was it from a throw-in?

No and no.

[Sharpshooternes]

So I had this very play happen to me this week. I was lead in two man and my P called a backcourt violation. I was sure he got it wrong. I just let it be, in this instance as none of the coaches knew that he kicked it. So out of curiosity, I asked the 3 man varsity crew after our game what a partner should do in ths situation. 1 said let them live and die with their call. 1 said if they ask for help offer it, if not, let it be. Cant remember what the third said, maybe go with the inadvertent whistle and give the ball back to the proper team.

So I pose the same question to all of you. How do you help in this situation. I think we have talked about in the past the difference between kicking a rule and making a bad call on bad judgement. I think I should have approached my P with that information and let them change their call if they wanted to. Ready, go.