Player on court during time out

[Nevadaref]

Rule 2-7-4: The officials shall conduct the game according to the rules. This includes: ... Prohibiting practice during a dead ball, except between halves.

It seems to me that a player technical foul for unsporting behavior is appropriate for violating this rule.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Rule 2-7-4: The officials shall conduct the game according to the rules. This includes: ... Prohibiting practice during a dead ball, except between halves.

It seems to me that a player technical foul for unsporting behavior is appropriate for violating this rule.

So the rule book puts the responsibility on the officials to prohibit practice during a dead ball, but where does it say the players are forbidden and accountable for this? How do your justify this as "unsporting behavior"?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

So the rule book puts the responsibility on the officials to prohibit practice during a dead ball, but where does it say the players are forbidden and accountable for this? How do your justify this as "unsporting behavior"?

By this language: "This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as..."

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

By this language: "This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as..."

So you think that walking out onto the court during a timeout to practice a free throw is an unsporting act?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

So you think that walking out onto the court during a timeout to practice a free throw is an unsporting act?

First tell him not to. Then if he continues it's unsporting.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

So you think that walking out onto the court during a timeout to practice a free throw is an unsporting act?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

First tell him not to. Then if he continues it's unsporting.

Yep

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

So you think that walking out onto the court during a timeout to practice a free throw is an unsporting act?

Absolutely.

What would an NFL referee do if a FG kicker was out on the field practicing during a time-out with 2 seconds left just before his team was to attempt a FG? I don't see any way to not throw a flag and penalize 15 yards for unsporting conduct. There are certain things that players just can't do.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

So you think that walking out onto the court during a timeout to practice a free throw is an unsporting act?

He's certainly not afraid to break into jail, is he?

Most likely the player just doesn't know the rule and the coach doesn't either, or he's just oblivious. That's not unsporting. So I say, "hey, stop, you're not allowed to do that; go back to your bench." That's me "prohibiting" the act or conduct, not penalizing it.

Now if my direction is ignored, THAT's unsporting and I would not hesitate to penalize at that point.


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[Nevadaref]

Not being aware of the rule isn't an excuse.
Once he does the act, he is subject to being penalized.

If a team isn't aware that having a thrower remain out of bounds is illegal are you going to fail to penalize them?
What about if a team has screeners lock arms while setting a double screen?
Sorry, but it is the responsibility of the coach and team to know the playing rules.

[Raymond]

If officials stay with the ball there is no need for discussions like this.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Not being aware of the rule isn't an excuse.
Once he does the act, he is subject to being penalized.

If a team isn't aware that having a thrower remain out of bounds is illegal are you going to fail to penalize them?
What about if a team has screeners lock arms while setting a double screen?
Sorry, but it is the responsibility of the coach and team to know the playing rules.

Apples and oranges. The T you propose is for doing something unsporting. That has a certain mental element to it, unlike each of your elements.

Don't be the "gotcha" referee. Do your job and don't let him get there -- tell him to stop. If he doesn't stop, well, then he has done something unsporting.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Not being aware of the rule isn't an excuse.
Once he does the act, he is subject to being penalized.

If a team isn't aware that having a thrower remain out of bounds is illegal are you going to fail to penalize them?
What about if a team has screeners lock arms while setting a double screen?
Sorry, but it is the responsibility of the coach and team to know the playing rules.

Since this is being charged under the "not limited to" provision of the unsporting acts, I'm inclined to issue a direction here. If the players fail to comply with my instructions to stop, then a T becomes pretty easy.

I'm going to acknowledge BNR's objection, but the fact is, there are often quite a few balls floating around a gym. Probably not so much in a high school sanctioned game, but it's still possible and not unheard of for little Jimmy to keep a warmup ball in a bag at the bench.