Bonus not double bonus

[billyu2]

Why not put 2.5 back on the clock? The ball became dead when the player from the visiting team "caught" the ball. We have knowledge that by rule a player can only tap the ball on a try for goal with .3 on the clock. If there were .4 left he could potentially catch and shoot. With the inadvertent whistle the POI is the player catching the rebound, ball now dead, AP throw in, clock adjusted by .4 for the time consumed in catching the rebound. Just an early morning pre-coffee analysis.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Why not put 2.5 back on the clock? The ball became dead when the player from the visiting team "caught" the ball. We have knowledge that by rule a player can only tap the ball on a try for goal with .3 on the clock. If there were .4 left he could potentially catch and shoot. With the inadvertent whistle the POI is the player catching the rebound, ball now dead, AP throw in, clock adjusted by .4 for the time consumed in catching the rebound. Just an early morning pre-coffee analysis.

That makes some sense, and some rules codes (I think) have such a provision (also perhaps used when an inbounds pass is tipped immediately out of bounds, or a TO is requested immediately upon a rebound, etc.)

But, it has no basis in NFHS or NCAA rules..

[deecee]

im putting the time back on the clock.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

im putting the time back on the clock.

Of course you would, junior.
Now please cite an NFHS rule permitting you to do so.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Of course you would, junior.
Now please cite an NFHS rule permitting you to do so.

The officials erroneously announced a 1-1 bonus, therefore the clock should not have started and the officials screwed up. In this case I'm not going to penalize the teams for our mess up and there is no rule or case play that says we cannot put the time back on in this case. I'll go with the common sense approach here.

You can play the semantics game all you like but the officials messed up and there is no way I'm not adding time back on in this case.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

The officials erroneously announced a 1-1 bonus, therefore the clock should not have started and the officials screwed up. In this case I'm not going to penalize the teams for our mess up and there is no rule or case play that says we cannot put the time back on in this case. I'll go with the common sense approach here.

You can play the semantics game all you like but the officials messed up and there is no way I'm not adding time back on in this case.

Actually, the officials erroneously announced two FTs instead of the 1&1.
However, the announcing of erroneous information does not automatically make the ball dead if the first FT attempt is unsuccessful. The proof--Look at the Case Book ruling. If you were correct, how could the ball remain live and play continue when both teams go after it? By your analysis the ball has to be dead and the clock shouldn't start. Sorry, but you are incorrect and the ball isn't dead until whistled so by an official and the clock runs until that point too.

A case which we have discussed on here several times is what to do if A3 rebounds the miss unchallenged by any player of Team B and quickly scores a basket before any of the officials can react. There was no whistle until after the ball passed through the basket. The NFHS ruling is that this basket must count. It's not a correctable error. It's a screw up by the officials and they have to live with it.

You really should learn to officiate by the rules and not by what is palatable to you. Going by the what the rules say is common sense.

BTW still waiting for you (or anyone else) to cite an NFHS rule allowing you to restore time in the presented situation.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

You can play the semantics game all you like but the officials messed up and there is no way I'm not adding time back on in this case.

If the officials give the ball to the wrong team for a throw-in and notice it after the ball has been inbounded and 3 seconds have elapsed are you going to nix that action and put the time back on the clock too? Would following the rule here be just semantics to you too?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If the officials give the ball to the wrong team for a throw-in and notice it after the ball has been inbounded and 3 seconds have elapsed are you going to nix that action and put the time back on the clock too? Would following the rule here be just semantics to you too?

I read the OP wrong. In this case I wouldn't put 2.9 seconds back on but I would probably put 2.5 as stated earlier since the ball would be dead on the rebound due to inactivity by one team.

As for this scenario once the throw in is complete its to late.