Assistant chirping from stands

[deecee]

1. Usually before I T up an assistant I do warn the HC (unless the AC is so out of line).
2. You ask the coach to go back to his bench, he then complies, and you then T him up. Not good. Either T him up or walk him back. Usually if a coach has been well behaved and his advance on the court isn't egregious and rude I walk him/her back the first time and make it clear next time it wont be tolerated.
3. After a game if a coach is reasonable and has a question (heck even during the game) I will chat with them. Once it turns to them talking at me I just walk away.
4. If you want to move up you have to be able to communicate. Not saying you don't have to issue T's but you need to be able to communicate with coaches and players. It's not a necessity per se, but it's pretty much expected so to speak.

I personally think the "knight in shining armor" is a stupid approach. We are adults and we can deal with our issues. You called a T, report it, go opposite table. I think it looks worse when my partner is dealing with a coach face to face and then I come in and tell my partner that I will take it from here. It's one thing if you report and move yourself to a different location and then the coach continues and your partner is in a position to address the coach but doesn't.

I also personally would rip into a partner, but then again we pregame this, that if I am dealing with a coach, I do not need "rescuing".

Overall from how you described things I would rate how you handled things a C, especially considering this is a JV game. In a varsity game this would be a D/F.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by deecee

2. You ask the coach to go back to his bench, he then complies, and you then T him up. Not good. Either T him up or walk him back. Usually if a coach has been well behaved and his advance on the court isn't egregious and rude I walk him/her back the first time and make it clear next time it wont be tolerated.

No, he got closer to me. If I wouldn't have backed up, we would have been chest to large belly. Sorry I wasn't clear on that, I fixed it in the OP.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

No, he got closer to me. If I wouldn't have backed up, we would have been chest to large belly. Sorry I wasn't clear on that, I fixed it in the OP.

In that case, perfectly justified.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by deecee

Overall from how you described things I would rate how you handled things a C, especially considering this is a JV game. In a varsity game this would be a D/F.

Wow. This is a bit harsh. I don't see evidence of any major communication mistakes...

[deecee]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Wow. This is a bit harsh. I don't see evidence of any major communication mistakes...

That would change a bit considering the new information to B- for JV and C- for V.

But it's really only on this small incident. The rest of the game could have been great and the overall score could well be B+/A-.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by deecee

That would change a bit considering the new information to B- for JV and C- for V.

But it's really only on this small incident. The rest of the game could have been great and the overall score could well be B+/A-.

How could I handle it in the future to be an A?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

How could I handle it in the future to be an A?

My initial response, as well as what others have said. Ting up an assistant without at least giving the HC an opportunity to deal with his/her bench is one thing first off. The assistant didn't say something that was so T worthy that a quick "coach please keep your bench in order" wouldn't have solved or setup the easy T later.

With the HC, "please get back to your bench I'll come to you" or "I heard you coach, lets move on." and then you report and leave. If he continues towards you easy T (which is what happened). In all honesty what you did here with the HC wasn't that bad, he earned his T. But the bigger point is you could have possibly avoided 2 T's with a "coach please keep your bench in order" type of comment.

After a game if a coach approaches me, and this works for me so Im not saying you have to adopt it, and has a genuine question about WHY I called something I have no problem discussing with them. The operative word is discussing. NOT them talking at me.

I also would stay away from saying things like "keep your mouth shut on the bench." to them. They are adults, even though they may not act like it, and we can treat them like adults.

I will also preface this with the fact that in my last 2 games I DID NOT give T's to HC's that were deserved and it has been chewing at me. So maybe fire away and clear the bodies later, what do I know?

[UNIgiantslayers]

Thanks for all the input.

I agree with you guys that I probably should have given him a warning about the AC, so that part was totally my fault. Yes, this probably would have resolved both T's. I also agree that I probably shouldn't have told him to keep his mouth shut. Sometimes I forget that they all aren't big boys and I need to keep the kid gloves on somewhat. I could have phrased that better with the same message, and I realize that. I have been working on communicating better with coaches, and I think this will be something that I'll focus on for the 2nd half of this season.

As far as the convo with the HC (JV), I didn't feel too badly about that because of the way he was approaching me. I probably wasn't as clear as I should have been but he was clearly trying to intimidate/bully me, so I wanted to shut that down immediately. I felt his actions were not deserving of a nice/respectful response like "Okay coach, I'll come to you if you just head back that way." That's why I'm here though, I want to learn from what you guys would do so that I can continue to improve and fill out a full slate of V games each year instead of sprinkling in the JV/JH games to fill out the schedule.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

Thanks for all the input.

I agree with you guys that I probably should have given him a warning about the AC, so that part was totally my fault. Yes, this probably would have resolved both T's. I also agree that I probably shouldn't have told him to keep his mouth shut. Sometimes I forget that they all aren't big boys and I need to keep the kid gloves on somewhat. I could have phrased that better with the same message, and I realize that. I have been working on communicating better with coaches, and I think this will be something that I'll focus on for the 2nd half of this season.

As far as the convo with the HC (JV), I didn't feel too badly about that because of the way he was approaching me. I probably wasn't as clear as I should have been but he was clearly trying to intimidate/bully me, so I wanted to shut that down immediately. I felt his actions were not deserving of a nice/respectful response like "Okay coach, I'll come to you if you just head back that way." That's why I'm here though, I want to learn from what you guys would do so that I can continue to improve and fill out a full slate of V games each year instead of sprinkling in the JV/JH games to fill out the schedule.

I have no problem with the way you handled it. Could a warning earlier have prevented it? Maybe, but judging by the coach's response to the T, I doubt it. Once you determined the comments were coming from the AC, you could have reminded the coach that his AC was on the verge of costing his team a technical foul. Note, you could have, but it's by no means required and it's not something the coach is owed or deserves. As rockyroad noted, the coach knows the role of an AC and allowing the AC to step outside that role is on him.

As for the way you dealt with the HC, not only would I call the T just as you did but I would also make sure you submit a report to your assigner and maybe the state. A technical foul is one thing, coaches get stupid from time to time, but an attempt to physically intimidate an official is above and beyond the normal stupid line.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

As far as the convo with the HC (JV), I didn't feel too badly about that because of the way he was approaching me. I probably wasn't as clear as I should have been but he was clearly trying to intimidate/bully me, so I wanted to shut that down immediately. I felt his actions were not deserving of a nice/respectful response like "Okay coach, I'll come to you if you just head back that way." That's why I'm here though, I want to learn from what you guys would do so that I can continue to improve and fill out a full slate of V games each year instead of sprinkling in the JV/JH games to fill out the schedule.

If that's the case T him 100% of the time. I have handed out T's to coaches for staring me down. The first time I looked at the coach, noticed he was just trying to stare me down and I said "I'm not going to play that game." I turned away to move to my spot looked back he was still staring so I T'd him up.

When I first started officiating I was very quick with the T's, and I think when you are less experienced it's better to be quick with T's than not give out enough.

The point is, more often than not, at the lower levels the T's are much easier to call.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

How could I handle it in the future to be an A?

Ignore his evaluation.

You handled this just fine. The whole notion that you have to give a warning to the HC to control his bench before calling a T on that bench is ridiculous. Every coach knows the role of the Assistants. If they want to step out of that role, they get what they earn.

[Adam]

Why was the AC sitting behind the bench?

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Adam

Why was the AC sitting behind the bench?

I have no idea. He's the V head coach, so maybe he was just watching. But my thought is that if he went into the locker room with the team, he is a member of that team's coaching staff.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Ignore his evaluation.

You handled this just fine. The whole notion that you have to give a warning to the HC to control his bench before calling a T on that bench is ridiculous. Every coach knows the role of the Assistants. If they want to step out of that role, they get what they earn.

You absolutely can. But this is what has been instructed to me from HS to college by officials that do D1 to state finals, to assignors and evaluators.There is a shift from a dogmatic, holier than thou, officiating mindset to a more communicative one. My college assignor told me flat out he does not want officials that cannot communicate with players and coaches.

This year being my first doing ncaam I have had 3 games so far and 2 T's, both on players. In HS I have done about 15 BV games so far and had 6 T's I believe. 1 on a coach, and 2 that I should have called and had a lapse in testicular fortitude.

Rocky is right, you don't HAVE to warn, and there are instances where there is no warning. But from what you described I personally don't see that as an auto T versus an opportunity to work with the coach.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Ignore his evaluation.

You handled this just fine. The whole notion that you have to give a warning to the HC to control his bench before calling a T on that bench is ridiculous. Every coach knows the role of the Assistants. If they want to step out of that role, they get what they earn.

To each his own, but I'm not sure I'd call this "Ridiculous." If I can prevent a problem by showing the HC enough respect to give him a chance to rectify the scenario, then I think that's good game management. Again, as others have said, there are some things that an AC can say that is automatic, no need to warn a coach, but from the description in the OP, this certainly doesn't seem like the case to me.

"You HAVE to give a warning to the HC" is ridiculous, but if you're able to, why not?