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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 10:47pm
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Coach interaction w table

Happy new year all,
Scenario from a game I worked yesterday I'd like some input on:
Coach W is seatbelted due to a previous technical foul earlier in the game.With approximately 20 seconds to go a loose ball foul is called against W and the clock is stopped.Coach W goes absolutely ballistic claiming that there should be additional time on the clock.The officials confer and then ask the clock operator if he stopped it on time.He says yes-the officials take him at his word since there was no definitive evidence of a clock error.Coach W yells at the clock operator and officials saying "Come on guys there's gotta be more time on that clock." and stuff relating to the clock for about 15 more seconds.Does he earn T number 2 and thus an ejection from any of you all for yelling at your table crew?
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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 10:50pm
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He might, depending on how he is complaining. Whether the had the seat belt means nothing to me honestly. It is purely situational.

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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 11:22pm
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JRut-He's basically yelling at near the top of his lungs at the guys on the floor and the scorers table about the clock but nothing obscene was said.I've done this for 10 years and never seen a coach act that way towards a table.
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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 11:36pm
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JRut-He's basically yelling at near the top of his lungs at the guys on the floor and the scorers table about the clock but nothing obscene was said.I've done this for 10 years and never seen a coach act that way towards a table.
I said it is situational? If he had a legitimate beef, I would understand him being upset. And based on how demonstrative he was, that would also matter. Are we in a gym with thousands of people, or a less than 20? All of that matters to me. And it also matters what he got the first T for.

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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 11:38pm
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JRut-He's basically yelling at near the top of his lungs at the guys on the floor and the scorers table about the clock but nothing obscene was said.I've done this for 10 years and never seen a coach act that way towards a table.

Based on that description, if I'm NOT the official who issued the first T, I'd probably send him to the locker room 20 seconds early. Once we politely spoke with the table and reached a decision....it's definitely unsporting of him to continue screaming, especially at the table. They're part of my crew and I'll have their back.

Out of curiosity, how close was the game with 20 seconds left?




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Old Fri Jan 01, 2016, 12:32am
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First, I would inquire if the coach wanted to request a time-out to have the officials investigate whether there was a timing error.
If not, we don't even discuss the matter.
Secondly, if the coach acts in an unsporting manner towards the table crew, he will earn a technical foul and in this case be dismissed.
I don't care what other people would do. I know what I won't allow.
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Old Fri Jan 01, 2016, 12:50am
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Ok to try and fill in some missing info:

-Both Coaches by this point have been T'd and seatbelted for arguing with the officials.T#1 to the coach in question was for arguing a hand checking call in the 3rd quarter.

-In the 3rd place game the host school's coach also received a T from the same crew for arguing an over the back call .

-This was a fairly large public school gym at approximately 25% capacity (best guess).

-Ended up being a 1 pt game which the team I work for won (this was the tournament title game)
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Old Fri Jan 01, 2016, 01:06am
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Ok to try and fill in some missing info:

-Both Coaches by this point have been T'd and seatbelted for arguing with the officials.T#1 to the coach in question was for arguing a hand checking call in the 3rd quarter.

-In the 3rd place game the host school's coach also received a T from the same crew for arguing an over the back call .

-This was a fairly large public school gym at approximately 25% capacity (best guess).

-Ended up being a 1 pt game which the team I work for won (this was the tournament title game)
None of that is relevant.
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Old Fri Jan 01, 2016, 01:13am
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Are we in a gym with thousands of people, or a less than 20?
What does this have to do with it?
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Old Fri Jan 01, 2016, 11:22am
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JRut-He's basically yelling at near the top of his lungs at the guys on the floor and the scorers table about the clock but nothing obscene was said.I've done this for 10 years and never seen a coach act that way towards a table.
You asked a question and Jeff gave you an answer. Do you want our opinions or do you want us to say yes he will automatically have received a technical foul?

Whether or not he was seat belted would not matter. His actions and words would matter.

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Old Fri Jan 01, 2016, 11:45am
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First of all cross country asked how close the game was with 20 seconds to go.Someone else also asked what the coach did to receive the 1st tech.I filled in those gaps and appreciate the opinions of everyone here.
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Old Fri Jan 01, 2016, 12:18pm
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What does this have to do with it?
Because how much I hear the coach matters. I might not even hear the coach in a packed gym. Yes that matters to me if he is complaining about a table issue. For example, I might not hear his complaining at all in a big gym.

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Old Mon Jan 04, 2016, 01:14am
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He he already earned his 1st tech and he stood up to question anything (even if he was correct) can earn him his 2nd IMHO.
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Old Mon Jan 04, 2016, 02:00am
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He he already earned his 1st tech and he stood up to question anything (even if he was correct) can earn him his 2nd IMHO.
You posted in another thread that you are new official.
So take some advice and please go read 10-5-1c and 5-8-4 before you automatically penalize a coach for standing up.
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