Swinging elbow contact (video)

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

At a minimum...Intentional Personal foul. I think a case can be made for a Flagrant...I'd defer to the official who was on top of the play and had a better handle on the temperature of the player involved as well as his view of the action in question. Definitely not a T though.

I wouldn't defer too much to the official here ... he called a T for live ball contact. That speaks to his lack of credibility in my opinion. As was noted in a previous post, this would be an easy violation for excessively swinging elbows and the whole situation is avoided. I can't imagine a more textbook "swinging elbows" violation. It isn't until about the 4th or 5th wild elbow swing that there is contact.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

I wouldn't defer too much to the official here ... he called a T for live ball contact. That speaks to his lack of credibility in my opinion. As was noted in a previous post, this would be an easy violation for excessively swinging elbows and the whole situation is avoided. I can't imagine a more textbook "swinging elbows" violation. It isn't until about the 4th or 5th wild elbow swing that there is contact.

Perhaps. More likely the elbows would have continued swinging and there would have been the violation followed by a intentional or flagrant foul for dead ball contact. I doubt even calling a holding foul on the defense would have cleaned this play up soon enough to prevent the elbow contact.

As for the call, from the camera angle and with other players in the way, it is hard to tell if she lined her opponent up, making a definitive answer difficult, however, I am leaning flagrant, but would go with nothing less than intentional.

[BillyMac]

2012-13 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
2. Contact above the shoulders. With a continued emphasis on reducing concussions and decreasing excessive contact situations the committee determined that more guidance is needed for penalizing contact above the shoulders.
a. A player shall not swing his/her arm(s) or elbow(s) even without contacting an opponent. Excessive swinging of the elbows occurs when arms and elbows are swung about while using the shoulders as pivots, and the speed of the extended arms and elbows is in excess of the rest of the body as it rotates on the hips or on the pivot foot. Currently it is a violation in Rule 9 Section 13 Article.
b. Examples of illegal contact above the shoulders and resulting penalties.
1. Contact with a stationary elbow may be incidental or a common foul.
2. An elbow in movement but not excessive should be an intentional foul.
3. A moving elbow that is excessive can be either an intentional foul or flagrant personal foul.