Pass and Crash

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Gutierrez7

Pass and Crash question: In a 2 person crew:
Which official calls the foul? Lead or Trail
Which official stays with the ball on the pass? Lead or Trail

Dribbler A1 is driving to team A’s basket in the lane:

1a) Begins a layup, however, while in the air, A1 decides to pass to:

1.a.1) A4 standing behind the 3pt arc in the “Lead Officials PCA”
1.a.2) A3 standing near the 3pt arc in the “Joint coverage area”

2a) Continues driving, however, A1 decides to pass to:

2.a.1) A4 standing behind the 3pt arc in the “Lead Officials PCA”
2.a.2) A3 standing near the 3pt arc in the “Joint coverage area”

Player A1 then dislodges Player B5, who has obtained Legal Guarding Position in the lane.

Each official must take the half of the play that is closer to them. If the pass is to the L's side of the court, the L must cover the pass and the T must stay with the crash. If the pass is to the trail's side of the court, the L takes the crash while the T covers the pass.

Any other way puts the official covering the pass in a tough spot where they may have to look through a lot of bodies to see the play.

As for a pass going back out to the "joint coverage area" at the 3pt arc on a pass/crash....I don't think I've seen it in over 20 years of officiating. The passes are almost exclusively to someone cutting along the endline or to someone in the corner....never back out to the top.

But if it did, I'd suggest that the trail should always be the one to cover that when there is any question who should be covering a play out there.

[Gutierrez7]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

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As for a pass going back out to the "joint coverage area" at the 3pt arc on a pass/crash....I don't think I've seen it in over 20 years of officiating. The passes are almost exclusively to someone cutting along the endline or to someone in the corner....never back out to the top.

Clarification: pass to JCA near 3pt arc in/near the "corner" by the "end line".

Does that help? Will that change your comments?

Thanks again.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Gutierrez7

Clarification: pass to JCA near 3pt arc in/near the "corner" by the "end line".

That doesn't sound like any kind of "joint coverage area" for two-person mechanics.

[Gutierrez7]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That doesn't sound like any kind of "joint coverage area" for two-person mechanics.

Simply trying to articulate in words that the ball moved far away as possible from the Lead and Trail and not back out to the top of the key.

Does that help?

What is your judgement on the OP scenarios? Thanks.

[deecee]

The boundary in the paint and FT line extended is the dual coverage spots in 2-person mechanics.

In 3 person the corner at the L/T area is kinda a dual coverage spot in NCAAM but for the L it's only to mark, the T has the shooter and all subsequent contact.

[deecee]

Rule of thumb is whomever's primary the ball goes to that official stays with the ball. In the dual cover spots ideally I prefer the T take the 3.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

Rule of thumb is whomever's primary the ball goes to that official stays with the ball. In the dual cover spots ideally I prefer the T take the 3.

Agree.

That is probably a lot cleaner way of describing what I was saying.

However, does that still apply if the L has crossed the paint to be on the same side as the T?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

However, does that still apply if the L has crossed the paint to be on the same side as the T?

Why not? you still have an obligation to your PCA first and foremost.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

Rule of thumb is whomever's primary the ball goes to that official stays with the ball.

That's how we do it in my little corner of Connecticut. It hasn't always been that way, but that's the way we do it now.

(It used to be Lead takes the pass, Trail takes the crash.)

It certainly should be part of any good pregame conference.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by billymac

it certainly should be part of any good pregame conference.

+100

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It certainly should be part of any good pregame conference.

With all of the stuff I see people say should be part of a pregame conference, I'd have to get to my games 3 days early just to cover it all.

Originally Posted by deecee

Rule of thumb is whomever's primary the ball goes to that official stays with the ball.

That's what I've heard as well. If the pass is within your primary, you take the ball. If the pass is out of your primary you take the crash. I'm comfortable with any official getting the crash with a cadence whistle, provided they don't signal into a blarge.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Gutierrez7

Clarification: pass to JCA near 3pt arc in/near the "corner" by the "end line".

Does that help? Will that change your comments?

Thanks again.

There is no such thing in 2-person. The only overlapping coverage area is where the lane line extended intercepts the 3-point arc.