Pass and Crash

[Gutierrez7]

Pass and Crash question: In a 2 person crew:
Which official calls the foul? Lead or Trail
Which official stays with the ball on the pass? Lead or Trail

Dribbler A1 is driving to team A’s basket in the lane:

1a) Begins a layup, however, while in the air, A1 decides to pass to:

1.a.1) A4 standing behind the 3pt arc in the “Lead Officials PCA”
1.a.2) A3 standing near the 3pt arc in the “Joint coverage area”

2a) Continues driving, however, A1 decides to pass to:

2.a.1) A4 standing behind the 3pt arc in the “Lead Officials PCA”
2.a.2) A3 standing near the 3pt arc in the “Joint coverage area”

Player A1 then dislodges Player B5, who has obtained Legal Guarding Position in the lane.

[Indianaref]

p. 43 of officials manual. 4.3.2 D Drive to the basket.

[Dad]

Specific plays are really needed to answer these questions. PCA isn't absolute -- it moves with the players.

Primary VS second/third defender can change who calls what.

LGP on a player in the lane isn't always important. Offensive player can't come into the lane and drop someone to the floor who isn't even looking. ESPECIALLY after the ball is gone and said player is no longer a ball handler.

I'm probably not a good person to ask about these situations because if I'm doing 2-man then I always have the joint coverage areas. I ask to do a few 2-man games at the start of every season to help out rookies. My pregame is get the good calls right in front of you and I'll watch the other 75%.

Sorry if this wasn't much helped. I typed most of it out before remembering I'm actually not the best at 2-man.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Gutierrez7

Pass and Crash question: In a 2 person crew:
Which official calls the foul? Lead or Trail
Which official stays with the ball on the pass? Lead or Trail

Dribbler A1 is driving to team A’s basket in the lane:

1a) Begins a layup, however, while in the air, A1 decides to pass to:

1.a.1) A4 standing behind the 3pt arc in the “Lead Officials PCA”
1.a.2) A3 standing near the 3pt arc in the “Joint coverage area”

2a) Continues driving, however, A1 decides to pass to:

2.a.1) A4 standing behind the 3pt arc in the “Lead Officials PCA”
2.a.2) A3 standing near the 3pt arc in the “Joint coverage area”

Player A1 then dislodges Player B5, who has obtained Legal Guarding Position in the lane.

Each official must take the half of the play that is closer to them. If the pass is to the L's side of the court, the L must cover the pass and the T must stay with the crash. If the pass is to the trail's side of the court, the L takes the crash while the T covers the pass.

Any other way puts the official covering the pass in a tough spot where they may have to look through a lot of bodies to see the play.

As for a pass going back out to the "joint coverage area" at the 3pt arc on a pass/crash....I don't think I've seen it in over 20 years of officiating. The passes are almost exclusively to someone cutting along the endline or to someone in the corner....never back out to the top.

But if it did, I'd suggest that the trail should always be the one to cover that when there is any question who should be covering a play out there.

[Gutierrez7]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

p. 43 of officials manual. 4.3.2 D Drive to the basket.

Which officials manual are you referring to?

Could not make connection in the IAABO book.

Could you please cut and paste in a reply?

Thanks

[Gutierrez7]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

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As for a pass going back out to the "joint coverage area" at the 3pt arc on a pass/crash....I don't think I've seen it in over 20 years of officiating. The passes are almost exclusively to someone cutting along the endline or to someone in the corner....never back out to the top.

Clarification: pass to JCA near 3pt arc in/near the "corner" by the "end line".

Does that help? Will that change your comments?

Thanks again.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Gutierrez7

Clarification: pass to JCA near 3pt arc in/near the "corner" by the "end line".

That doesn't sound like any kind of "joint coverage area" for two-person mechanics.

[Gutierrez7]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That doesn't sound like any kind of "joint coverage area" for two-person mechanics.

Simply trying to articulate in words that the ball moved far away as possible from the Lead and Trail and not back out to the top of the key.

Does that help?

What is your judgement on the OP scenarios? Thanks.

[deecee]

The boundary in the paint and FT line extended is the dual coverage spots in 2-person mechanics.

In 3 person the corner at the L/T area is kinda a dual coverage spot in NCAAM but for the L it's only to mark, the T has the shooter and all subsequent contact.

[deecee]

Rule of thumb is whomever's primary the ball goes to that official stays with the ball. In the dual cover spots ideally I prefer the T take the 3.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Gutierrez7

Clarification: pass to JCA near 3pt arc in/near the "corner" by the "end line".

Does that help? Will that change your comments?

Thanks again.

There is no such thing in 2-person. The only overlapping coverage area is where the lane line extended intercepts the 3-point arc.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

Rule of thumb is whomever's primary the ball goes to that official stays with the ball. In the dual cover spots ideally I prefer the T take the 3.

Agree.

That is probably a lot cleaner way of describing what I was saying.

However, does that still apply if the L has crossed the paint to be on the same side as the T?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

However, does that still apply if the L has crossed the paint to be on the same side as the T?

Why not? you still have an obligation to your PCA first and foremost.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

Why not? you still have an obligation to your PCA first and foremost.

In 2-person, when the lead comes strong side, the trail is expected to pick up some of what is normally the L's PCA (the far side) if there is an immediately pass/play out there before the L returns. In that case, it could be that the T has the better view of a pass to the opposite side while the L might be screen out of that.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

In 2-person, when the lead comes strong side, the trail is expected to pick up some of what is normally the L's PCA (the far side) if there is an immediately pass/play out there before the L returns. In that case, it could be that the T has the better view of a pass to the opposite side while the L might be screen out of that.

I just prefer to keep it simple. Your area, your responsibility on this type of play. Of course by default the T will probably look over due to positioning but I try and keep the what ifs to a minimum where possible.