Assistant coach went after my partner today

[Refhoop]

Here's the situation:
4th quarter of a 2 pt. game. Team A is leading by 2. My partner gets a common foul on Team B in the back court - under one minute. Head coach (great all game), does a little dance and runs to his seat. Assistant coach (JV coach and a terrible one) also jumps up to dance after the call. Partner goes over and warns: "coach I suggest you get your bench under control".
Head coach: seems embarrassed and nods in agreement...
Assistant coach says: "We're not talking to you" in a contemptuous tone.
Partner: Whack!
I totally agree with the call - though as the L, I couldn't hear what the assistant coach said.
Team B goes on to lose by 8.
Buzzer to end game sounds and this assistant goes after my partner before we leave the court and follows us into the hallway. The game management person is nowhere to be found...
Eventually this ___ coach gets under control - my partner gets into the dressing room. I go back into the almost empty gym - get the scores for both teams back in there: whack and eject the assistant. In our state, he can't sit on the bench for the next varsity game...
What say you!

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

Here's the situation:
4th quarter of a 2 pt. game. Team A is leading by 2. My partner gets a common foul on Team B in the back court - under one minute. Head coach (great all game), does a little dance and runs to his seat. Assistant coach (JV coach and a terrible one) also jumps up to dance after the call. Partner goes over and warns: "coach I suggest you get your bench under control".
Head coach: seems embarrassed and nods in agreement...
Assistant coach says: "We're not talking to you" in a contemptuous tone.
Partner: Whack!
I totally agree with the call - though as the L, I couldn't hear what the assistant coach said.
Team B goes on to lose by 8.
Buzzer to end game sounds and this assistant goes after my partner before we leave the court and follows us into the hallway. The game management person is nowhere to be found...
Eventually this ___ coach gets under control - my partner gets into the dressing room. I go back into the almost empty gym - get the scores for both teams back in there: whack and eject the assistant. In our state, he can't sit on the bench for the next varsity game...
What say you!

The moment you guys stepped into the hall you left visual confines of court. Your jurisdiction ended accept for clerical matters. Issues that arose and you addressed while you had jurisdiction. If you were going to toss him you should have done it before you left floor.

[bballref3966]

You can't go back into the gym and whack once you've left. The best course would have been to just email your state/assigner. Let them know not only what the assistant did, but that security/game management was nowhere to be found. In my area, the assistant would likely be suspended as though he'd been ejected, and the host school would be getting a call/reprimand/fine from the state office the next morning.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

You can't go back into the gym and whack once you've left. The best course would have been to just email your state/assigner. Let them know not only what the assistant did, but that security/game management was nowhere to be found. In my area, the assistant would likely be suspended as though he'd been ejected, and the host school would be getting a call/reprimand/fine from the state office the next morning.

+1. Ejections, though they can be used as evidence to support subsequent suspensions by school/state authorities, are really not about that vis-à-vis their administration by game officials. To an official, technicals and ejections are necessary actions to take for the betterment of that particular game. In this case, game was over, any penalty would not have affected the outcome of the game, and besides, as has been discussed, jurisdiction had ended.

Separate from calling the game, there would have been nothing wrong with you reporting the unacceptable actions of the assistant to your assignor and/or the state office. In fact, that is to be encouraged in this case. Let those folks worry about suspensions and post-game discipline; that is not our function as officials.

[SC Official]

A supervisor is going to have a hard time defending you when you simply ignore/make up rules.

While I don't disagree that the behavior was unacceptable, this was not the right way to go about dealing with it. An email to the appropriate party is all that was necessary.

And GM/security should be monitoring the officials all the way to their locker room and their cars. I know a school in my area that got a big-time fine from the SCHSL for having inadequate postgame security for the crew.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

+1. Ejections, though they can be used as evidence to support subsequent suspensions by school/state authorities, are really not about that vis-à-vis their administration by game officials. To an official, technicals and ejections are necessary actions to take for the betterment of that particular game. In this case, game was over, any penalty would not have affected the outcome of the game, and besides, as has been discussed, jurisdiction had ended.



Separate from calling the game, there would have been nothing wrong with you reporting the unacceptable actions of the assistant to your assignor and/or the state office. In fact, that is to be encouraged in this case. Let those folks worry about suspensions and post-game discipline; that is not our function as officials.

I would not blame an official for ejecting a coach if he still had jurisdiction. The official in the OP did not (with the exception of filling out clerical reports). Hard to defend an official who makes shit up.

[zm1283]

I gave a head coach a technical while leaving the court several years ago. He got beat and decided to cheap shot me as I ran by his bench on the way out. We have to write up all unsportsmanlike technicals to the state and the school has to respond to them, so I knew it would get addressed in some fashion even if it didn't have anything to do with the outcome of the game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

You can't go back into the gym and whack once you've left. The best course would have been to just email your state/assigner. Let them know not only what the assistant did, but that security/game management was nowhere to be found. In my area, the assistant would likely be suspended as though he'd been ejected, and the host school would be getting a call/reprimand/fine from the state office the next morning.

I disagree. The technical foul was earned for activity that occurred before he left. Leaving for a moment to ensure the safety of your partner doesn't change that fact.

Either way, a full report to the state will give them the chance to rescind the technical foul on a technicality if they so choose.

[frezer11]

Why did you go back on the floor in the first place? Game was over, you left the court, get to the LR and be done with it (at least for now) Did you go back just to issue the T and eject? Were the scorekeepers even still there?

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by Adam

I disagree. The technical foul was earned for activity that occurred before he left. Leaving for a moment to ensure the safety of your partner doesn't change that fact.

Either way, a full report to the state will give them the chance to rescind the technical foul on a technicality if they so choose.

IMO, once they left the gym, the right to report a technical foul to the scorer was terminated.

Yes, an email to the state would be all that was necessary and it's likely, at least in my state, that the coach would have been punished as if he had been ejected, anyway.

[Refhoop]

I agree - I left the visual confines only because my partner was being chased and I didn't want him to get attacked.
It just escalated quickly and before I knew it - we were in the hallway.
I knew my going back was a risk, but I felt this was completely unacceptable behavior by that assistant.
I should add that the official was younger and only in his first year as a varsity official.
I really felt concerned for his safety - getting him to the locker room was #1 priority.
2nd priority: sticking that ___!


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[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

I agree - I left the visual confines only because my partner was being chased and I didn't want him to get attacked.
It just escalated quickly and before I knew it - we were in the hallway.
...

Buzzer to end game sounds and this assistant goes after my partner before we leave the court and follows us into the hallway.

These two statement do not seem to agree.

I left the visual confines only because my partner was being chased and I didn't want him to get attacked.
It just escalated quickly and before I knew it - we were in the hallway.

[Rich]

As long as that makes you feel better....

[Refhoop]

Originally Posted by Rich

As long as that makes you feel better....

I don't feel better - just embarrassed for the coach & school; and saddened for the kids and fans that witnessed this level of disrespect toward someone in a uniform.
Nothing for me to "feel better" about.

[JRutledge]

You state does not have a procedure to report a coach for any unsportsmanlike conduct that takes place outside of the game? That is the case where I live, so if we had to write up a coach, the state can deal with the accordingly. But you cannot give a T after you have left the visual confines of the court. No rules support at all, but that is what others have said. But I would think you can report events that could happen for example in the parking lot if a coach confronted you, like what happened in my area about a week ago with a coach punching an official.

Peace