Who should call the timeout.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dad

This isn't a reason to change a pivotal role coaches play in coaching their team. If a crew messes this up, which I've seen to be extremely rare, it's not a basis for completely changing the game.

It's not a drastic change to the game. it's not as if we're asking for the FIBA rule. And crews mess this up very rarely. Normally, a coach is crying because we don't acknowledge a TO request made while we HAVE to be watching the action instead of him.

Make the players call it during live balls, and all this goes away. Hell, if the coaches would teach players to mirror their requests, this would go away as well.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Coaches were quite able to coach when I played and they had to tell us to call the TO. Indeed, it even meant they had to teach us when we would want time outs, when we should call them on our own, etc. ... granting the coaches the right to request time outs during play was one of the dumbest "innovations" ever added to the game (I'd add the possession arrow, too ...

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: Why are you posting under so cal lurker's username?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

...a coach cannot "call" a timeout...they can only request one.

Originally Posted by AremRed

Wow this takes "you must only use rule book language" to an entirely new level.

I agree with BatteryPowered. A head coach, or a player, may request a timeout, but only an official can grant a timeout. The distinction is important, especially in the heat of the moment.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Adam

It's not a drastic change to the game. it's not as if we're asking for the FIBA rule. And crews mess this up very rarely. Normally, a coach is crying because we don't acknowledge a TO request made while we HAVE to be watching the action instead of him.

Make the players call it during live balls, and all this goes away. Hell, if the coaches would teach players to mirror their requests, this would go away as well.

I don't think this makes anything go away. You'll still have quick thinking players yelling they were calling time outs. Or the coach yelling TO and then yelling at you for not seeing/hearing A3 trying to get a TO.

I just can't see any net gain from making a change. All I see are headaches while teams adapt.

[MD Longhorn]

3 pages. Wow. Figured this one would be a one-response topic. "Whichever referee sees it."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Dad

I don't think this makes anything go away. You'll still have quick thinking players yelling they were calling time outs. Or the coach yelling TO and then yelling at you for not seeing/hearing A3 trying to get a TO.

I don't recall that happening under the prior rule.

I do like, in theory at least, the NCAAM rule -- for those who work under that code, how has it been working?

[MIReferee]

Thanks for all the replies. It sparked a major discussion between myself and the other officials involved. It seems to have done the same here. The whole thing started with you know you should have got that timeout before the foul. I was like really I didn't know there was an area for granting a time out

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Dad

I don't think this makes anything go away. You'll still have quick thinking players yelling they were calling time outs. Or the coach yelling TO and then yelling at you for not seeing/hearing A3 trying to get a TO.

I just can't see any net gain from making a change. All I see are headaches while teams adapt.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't recall that happening under the prior rule.

I do like, in theory at least, the NCAAM rule -- for those who work under that code, how has it been working?

Agree, bob. I've been doing this long enough to have done it under both rules. The only problems before were the players not hearing and/or responding to the coach.

Coaches should coach, not play the game. Having them directly able to affect live action events is not coaching.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I agree with BatteryPowered. A head coach, or a player, may request a timeout, but only an official can grant a timeout. The distinction is important, especially in the heat of the moment.

It's semantics. Nothing new around here, though.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The only problems before were the players not hearing and/or responding to the coach.

The players weren't hearing the request, so they changed the rule to allow the referee to grant the coaches' requests directly. Now, when officials don't hear them, the coach has something to complain about.

And whoever said coaches should teach their players to mirror their request is exactly right. How many officials are going to miss when six people are asking for a timeout?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Altor

The players weren't hearing the request, so they changed the rule to allow the referee to grant the coaches' requests directly. Now, when officials don't hear them, the coach has something to complain about.

And whoever said coaches should teach their players to mirror their request is exactly right. How many officials are going to miss when six people are asking for a timeout?

I know some that might!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't recall that happening under the prior rule.

I do like, in theory at least, the NCAAM rule -- for those who work under that code, how has it been working?

It hasn't been a problem. I hear a Coach calling for a timeout and I look for the first player giving any kind of indication. Coaches have already adapted. And I pregame for us to be aware.

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[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't recall that happening under the prior rule.

I do like, in theory at least, the NCAAM rule -- for those who work under that code, how has it been working?

It works very well. Don't have to take eyes off the players. Don't have to worry about hearing a coach....I wish high school would go back to it.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Dad

Half the time the C should be closest to the coach when the lead is opposite table side. The other half the coaches are in your field of vision.

I'm fine with the lead getting it, but I think the C is picking this up a lot.

If it's a press in the backcourt, the guy most likely to be able to see and grant the time out would be the lead. The trail and C are with the press.

[Rich]

Frankly, I wonder why this is such a problem. I've worked under both systems, and it's just easier giving the coach the ability to call the timeouts himself.