Over and Back ?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Not to hijack but for those of you who don't like "on the floor", what do you use or prefer? I don't mind it. I know that every call technically happens "on the floor" but I still catch myself using it at times. I try to wave off and say "before the shot" but old habits die hard.

Originally Posted by AABATTEE

So what are the correct phrases to use ?

There are many options....but on the floor is not one of them. "On the floor" is not informative. A player on the floor may or may not be in the act of shooting.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There are many options....but on the floor is not one of them. "On the floor" is not informative. A player on the floor may or may not be in the act of shooting.

THIS is the type of input that I was seeking and is actually helpful.


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[Dad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There are many options....but on the floor is not one of them. "On the floor" is not informative. A player on the floor may or may not be in the act of shooting.

It is an option, but not necessarily a good one. Every official knows what their partner means, whether you're going to admit it or not is something else.

As for good methods, anything that lets your partners/players/coaches know the player wasn't in the act of shooting. Some sort of, "NO SHOT!" tends to be the best since it applies to so many situations.

"On the floor" can make you look like an idiot. Players jumps and your call on the foul is that he was passing the ball, not shooting. The moment you say "ON THE FLOOR!" you're going to get murdered. You just told everyone you thought the obvious airborne passer(shooter in their eyes) was on the floor.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Dad

It is an option, but not necessarily a good one. Every official knows what their partner means, whether you're going to admit it or not is something else.

As for good methods, anything that lets your partners/players/coaches know the player wasn't in the act of shooting. Some sort of, "NO SHOT!" tends to be the best since it applies to so many situations.

"On the floor" can make you look like an idiot. Players jumps and your call on the foul is that he was passing the ball, not shooting. The moment you say "ON THE FLOOR!" you're going to get murdered. You just told everyone you thought the obvious airborne passer(shooter in their eyes) was on the floor.

I agree, DAD. "On the floor" is ambiguous, at best. After all, habitual shooting motion can certainly begin before a player has left the floor jumping for a try. Should they not be awarded 2 FTs simply because the foul by B1 was committed while A1 was beginning his/her habitual shooting motion while "on the floor"?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dad

It is an option, but not necessarily a good one. Every official knows what their partner means, whether you're going to admit it or not is something else.

As for good methods, anything that lets your partners/players/coaches know the player wasn't in the act of shooting. Some sort of, "NO SHOT!" tends to be the best since it applies to so many situations.

"On the floor" can make you look like an idiot. Players jumps and your call on the foul is that he was passing the ball, not shooting. The moment you say "ON THE FLOOR!" you're going to get murdered. You just told everyone you thought the obvious airborne passer(shooter in their eyes) was on the floor.

My biggest issue with "on the floor" is that most of the time, the shooting motion begins discernibly before the player leaves the floor. It actually means nothing and perpetuates a myth. It really is similar, in my view, to "over the back" and "reaching in" being used by officials.