Over and Back ?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dad

It is an option, but not necessarily a good one. Every official knows what their partner means, whether you're going to admit it or not is something else.

As for good methods, anything that lets your partners/players/coaches know the player wasn't in the act of shooting. Some sort of, "NO SHOT!" tends to be the best since it applies to so many situations.

"On the floor" can make you look like an idiot. Players jumps and your call on the foul is that he was passing the ball, not shooting. The moment you say "ON THE FLOOR!" you're going to get murdered. You just told everyone you thought the obvious airborne passer(shooter in their eyes) was on the floor.

My biggest issue with "on the floor" is that most of the time, the shooting motion begins discernibly before the player leaves the floor. It actually means nothing and perpetuates a myth. It really is similar, in my view, to "over the back" and "reaching in" being used by officials.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

Could be worse...you could end up with an interrupted dribble.

As long as "illegal use of hands" and "holding" are allowed, I'm OK.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Not to hijack but for those of you who don't like "on the floor", what do you use or prefer? I don't mind it. I know that every call technically happens "on the floor" but I still catch myself using it at times. I try to wave off and say "before the shot" but old habits die hard.

The reason you don't say "On The Floor" around here is because we have one smartass official who, if you do, at halftime or after the game will ask you, "WHY DID YOU CALL THAT FOUL ON THE FLOOR? WHAT DID THE FLOOR DO?!?!?!?"

[Karl M Johanson]

I am glad the discussion returned to my question about backcourt violations (I quickly learned not to use meaningless "old school" terms and phrases). As I originally alluded to I believe that the backcourt violation interpretation was not sufficiently updated when NFHS created "team control fouls" and then had to quickly rule that there was "team control" during throw ins. It would be much clearer if the rules clearly stated that has to be player control in front court after a throw in.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

The reason you don't say "On The Floor" around here is because we have one smartass official who, if you do, at halftime or after the game will ask you, "WHY DID YOU CALL THAT FOUL ON THE FLOOR? WHAT DID THE FLOOR DO?!?!?!?"

Ha!! That's funny and will be very helpful in not using that phrase anymore. I'll hopefully recall that the floor can't foul anyone.


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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Karl M Johanson

...It would be much clearer if the rules clearly stated that has to be player control in front court after a throw in.

It doesn't need to be in the FC, just inbounds at some point.

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[Adam]

Originally Posted by Karl M Johanson

I am glad the discussion returned to my question about backcourt violations (I quickly learned not to use meaningless "old school" terms and phrases). As I originally alluded to I believe that the backcourt violation interpretation was not sufficiently updated when NFHS created "team control fouls" and then had to quickly rule that there was "team control" during throw ins. It would be much clearer if the rules clearly stated that has to be player control in front court after a throw in.

This is a problem many here have predicted each year as the NFHS failed to adequately fix the rule to match their (repeatedly) stated intention: not affecting anything except whether free throws are shot.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

All I'm saying is that judgements and generalizations do not help anyone. But forgive me for not remembering that a few guys on here are the best referees ever and have never messed anything up and can only be bothered to leave the house to work Duke vs Carolina.

In my very humble opinion, you could use a very real dose of humility. If you read my post, I stated I was aware that I needed to try to get rid of the statement and simply asked what some of the other phrases were that guys used. Nobody needs you to imply they are a lesser official or a fanboy. But I'll wear that mantle proudly. It's why I'm here. Trying to get better and hell yes I'm a fan. I love this game, it's one of the reasons I call.

Don't be ridiculous. This is a forum for grown adults who often have differing opinions. I didn't bully you, or call you a fanboy. But yes, often fanboys are the ones yelling "on the floor." And I'm only a high school official, and I'm not afraid to admit it, so you can take your Duke-UNC comment elsewhere.

Don't attack my humility because you got butthurt about me making a statement that upset you.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Camps I attend only care about that verbiage when the rule is being kicked. If the official making that ruling is correct, then observers/supervisors don't care.

Any camp I've ever been to, clinicians most certainly care about an official saying "on the floor." But you and I go to different types of camps I'm sure.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Any camp I've ever been to, clinicians most certainly care about an official saying "on the floor." But you and I go to different types of camps I'm sure.

How would you even know this? What does different types of camps mean?

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Dad

How would you even know this? What does different types of camps mean?

Because I've been to my fair share of camps and not one clinician that I remember has failed to correct an official using "on the floor"?


College vs. high school

[Dad]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Because I've been to my fair share of camps and not one clinician that I remember has failed to correct an official using "on the floor"?


College vs. high school

I can't recall this ever happening at a camp. Then again, I can't recall anyone ever saying "on the floor" at a camp.

[BillyMac]

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post927149

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by SC Official

"On the floor" is fanboy and wreck league talk.

Didn't call me a fanboy? Weird how that is exactly what you did and now deny it.

If you don't like the verbiage, I was looking for input on what words you use, not to be insulted. I'm not butthurt, but I'm not going to be chastised either.

Contrary to popular belief around here at times, it's pretty easy to not be a jerk when replying


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