Over and Back ?

[Mark Padgett]

I only use "on the floor", "over the back" and "reach" when I'm putting the moves on a hot mom.

Unfortunately, they usually reply that I have "no shot".

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I only use "on the floor", "over the back" and "reach" when I'm putting the moves on a hot mom.

Unfortunately, they usually reply that I have "no shot".

Even when you do get a shot, it turns out you have a broken possession arrow.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I only use "on the floor", "over the back" and "reach" when I'm putting the moves on a hot mom.

Unfortunately, they usually reply that I have "no shot".

This is good Basketball Foruming.

[AABATTEE]

[QUOTE=BlueDevilRef;973113]Not to hijack but for those of you who don't like "on the floor", what do you use or prefer? I don't mind it. I know that every call technically happens "on the floor" but I still catch myself using it at times. I try to wave off and say "before the shot" but old habits die hard.


So what are the correct phrases to use ?

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I only use "on the floor", "over the back" and "reach" when I'm putting the moves on a hot mom.

Unfortunately, they usually reply that I have "no shot".

Could be worse...you could end up with an interrupted dribble.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Not to hijack but for those of you who don't like "on the floor", what do you use or prefer? I don't mind it. I know that every call technically happens "on the floor" but I still catch myself using it at times. I try to wave off and say "before the shot" but old habits die hard.

Originally Posted by AABATTEE

So what are the correct phrases to use ?

There are many options....but on the floor is not one of them. "On the floor" is not informative. A player on the floor may or may not be in the act of shooting.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by SC Official

And more often than not, those referees aren't working high-level games. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule.



Judgmental? Find me a camp that teaches officials that it's acceptable to say "on the floor."

All I'm saying is that judgements and generalizations do not help anyone. But forgive me for not remembering that a few guys on here are the best referees ever and have never messed anything up and can only be bothered to leave the house to work Duke vs Carolina.

In my very humble opinion, you could use a very real dose of humility. If you read my post, I stated I was aware that I needed to try to get rid of the statement and simply asked what some of the other phrases were that guys used. Nobody needs you to imply they are a lesser official or a fanboy. But I'll wear that mantle proudly. It's why I'm here. Trying to get better and hell yes I'm a fan. I love this game, it's one of the reasons I call.


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[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There are many options....but on the floor is not one of them. "On the floor" is not informative. A player on the floor may or may not be in the act of shooting.

THIS is the type of input that I was seeking and is actually helpful.


I wish I had a cool signature

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Not to hijack

You failed. Horribly.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There are many options....but on the floor is not one of them. "On the floor" is not informative. A player on the floor may or may not be in the act of shooting.

It is an option, but not necessarily a good one. Every official knows what their partner means, whether you're going to admit it or not is something else.

As for good methods, anything that lets your partners/players/coaches know the player wasn't in the act of shooting. Some sort of, "NO SHOT!" tends to be the best since it applies to so many situations.

"On the floor" can make you look like an idiot. Players jumps and your call on the foul is that he was passing the ball, not shooting. The moment you say "ON THE FLOOR!" you're going to get murdered. You just told everyone you thought the obvious airborne passer(shooter in their eyes) was on the floor.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Dad

It is an option, but not necessarily a good one. Every official knows what their partner means, whether you're going to admit it or not is something else.

As for good methods, anything that lets your partners/players/coaches know the player wasn't in the act of shooting. Some sort of, "NO SHOT!" tends to be the best since it applies to so many situations.

"On the floor" can make you look like an idiot. Players jumps and your call on the foul is that he was passing the ball, not shooting. The moment you say "ON THE FLOOR!" you're going to get murdered. You just told everyone you thought the obvious airborne passer(shooter in their eyes) was on the floor.

I agree, DAD. "On the floor" is ambiguous, at best. After all, habitual shooting motion can certainly begin before a player has left the floor jumping for a try. Should they not be awarded 2 FTs simply because the foul by B1 was committed while A1 was beginning his/her habitual shooting motion while "on the floor"?

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by Welpe

You failed. Horribly.

Sorry. I should have just started a new one.


I wish I had a cool signature

[ODog]

Originally Posted by OKREF

"No shot"

+1

Never fails, and it's exactly what you mean.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They need verbiage to state that PC is required inbounds before any BC violation can occur.

scrapper offered the perfect solution at the time: mirror the NCAA wording.

TC is not changed, but TC fouls include fouls committed by members of the TI team during a TI.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

scrapper offered the perfect solution at the time: mirror the NCAA wording.

TC is not changed, but TC fouls include fouls committed by members of the TI team during a TI.

Exactly. Pretty much how fouls by an airborne shooter are considered PC fouls even though there is no PC.

But, what about after the throwin is touched inbounds but before there is control. That is no longer "during" the throwin. Need to have words in effect to cover the window between when the throwin ends and when there is really team control.